:gaddafi-stern: :hillgasm:
Never forget the Hilldog e-mail of pretty much why Gaddafi had to go
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Screen-Shot-2018-11-04-at-06.24.57.png
Panafrican courency that would lead to weakening of the dolar and French financial control of africa
I originally wrote this as a reply to @mecha_john_brown who asked about sources for this stuff. But it’s incredibly weird and I’d like to make it a top-level comment for visibility/responses.
I just tried to look up the banking one and… kinda arrived in an absolutely sketchy place :side-eye-2:
this page has the list, attributes it to
this page (archived, extremely weird side bar, sus as fuck comments on post). They mention
It is reported that Libyans receive free housing, education, health care, substantial cash when they marry, and overseas education if they qualify.
which links here, author may or may not be this Stephen Goodson who is claimed to be a Holocaust denier by various Israeli media (makes me think of Norman Finkelstein; these accusations may or may not be in good faith, although Holocaust deniers 100% exist and as the next link shows, I would not be surprised to find them in this crowd).
That piece was originally published on this website Rense.com, which, nowadays features epic tucker Carlson owns and weird covid conspiracy theories
I dunno man, unless this list was stolen from Michael Parenti, this all looks super sketchy and I’m not sure what to make of any of it
I’ve seen this before on comment sections to Pepe Escobar articles, general “Jews control XYZ” type conspiracy theories. I consider Pepe Escobar to be pretty good and not really cultivate this stuff himself afaik.
So in the present case and with Escobar, I think libertarian conspiracy brains latch onto anti Biden/Obama stuff, anything with Israel is gonna attract anti-Semitic conspiracies, goldbugs are just absolute anti-establishment freaks, etc.
So stuff which is based in truth finds followers who are deranged weirdos, hence the fucked vibes surrounding a lot of semi-truthful stuff sometimes.
In this case though I am really curious about the lists being 1-1 copies of each other, and I’m curious who the ultimate source is
I have searched a lot of this list a while ago cause it was coming up again and again. There was a lot of info here by an even very anti-Gaddafi ngo but it seems like its gone
the Free Healthcare one is true for sure , as are the education and literacy ones, corraborated with actual Libyan refugees that i have spoken with. Quality varied as was urban/rural accessibilty but it was there ,as good as the greek Healthcare they have experiences acording to them (doesnt say THAT much but we still have a “free public healthcare in the european socdem style”
Regarding housing Gaddafi very early made it a centerpiece to provide free or very affordable public housing. Libya did had probably the lowest levels of homelessness in Africa. Again it worked more in urban ereas. Also a very dope policy in the Late 70’s " The Home Belongs to its Dwellers" law " had Tens thousands of landlords (small and large) instantly lost their homes, as tenants (those renting the homes) claimed ownership on account of being the ‘dwellers’. The law applied to homes, farms, shops, etc.
the Free electricity one applied to households bellow a certain income and the prices in general were considerably lower due to oil abundance and nationalization of the entire electric grid. But in general Libyans had to pay their power bill, same as most people, based on the power consumption meter.
The Interest free loans is partly true .The national bank which was the dominant one offered an evolved form of Islamic banking services, these are services where no interest is charged and were better than western banking practices but still that didnt translate to free banking overall or loans haveing no strings attached. And again these were available for a lot of groups byt not all
The 50k for new weds was actual policy but it wasnt in place for that long and had issues with accessibility
The 5k for for child birth isnt true. There was a policy of more like 40? bucks per month per child for a couple of years .
Citizens received a percentages of all oil sales
Idk about the first part
oil was $0.14 per litre
this is true , oil was dirt cheap in Libya. As was bread as the other point says. Food prices were heavily subsidized and controled.
I havent found anything about the 50% of the car thing
Unemployed Libyans received the average salary of their profession in benefits
There were quite a few uneployment policies but i havent found anything about such a generous policy
In general strong welfare state policies and low prices line up with what i have been told by a couple of libyan refugees here in Greece.
There was a lot of info here by an even very anti-Gaddafi ngo but it seems like its gone
Wayback machine to the rescue https://web.archive.org/web/20190518075909/https://www.mercycorps.org/sites/default/files/capacity_to_govern-libya_26_aug_2011.pdf
I do believe this list to be mostly true if Parenti is saying it; I know he is not without fault but generally good about stuff. Thank you for some extra info/context.
I guess my post was just me being alarmed finding this exact list, going down a really weird rabbit hole.
I still remember the lead up to the NATO bombing of Libya and the lynching of Gaddafi by the “moderate rebels”. A lot of the left libs to Trots were in full support of the rebels. DemocracyNow! had on Juan “cruise missile leftist” Cole, as their regular guest on Libya, he was cheer leading non stop for Gaddafi’s ouster even up to the NATO bombing. The supposedly “independent and progressive” DemocracyNow! was no different than State Department propaganda, and they tried the same thing with Syria. Oh and Juan Cole was a CIA consultant:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/30/meet-professor-juan-cole-consultant-to-the-cia/
As usual, a lot of Trots were on the wrong side of history, but the one that struct out to me most for it’s pure absurdity was listening to a talk from the ISO (one of the bigger Trot groups, mostly middle class students, defunct now because of some sexual assault scandal). One of the speaker was some Libyan-American student, she was in full support of the rebels, but she mentioned that her parents were able to study abroad in the United States was because of Libya’s solid social programs, but hey, “freedom and democracy” so Gaddafi must go! Now there are open slave markets in Libya, gotta love that “freedom and democracy”!
