Currently in an argument with a chud on Reddit that pulled the 100 million dead figure, and he doesn’t believe that they’re including dead Nazis and unborn descendants of dead people in that figure. I want to show him how ridiculous the figures are in that book is by calculating the victims of capitalism using the same flimsy logic.

He doesn’t appear to be one of those “capitalism didn’t kill anyone because how can two people exchanging goods be deadly” types that you sometimes see, as he’s willing to attribute the Nazis to capitalism’s death toll. He sent me this:

"You should check the democide concept developed by Prof. R. J. Rummel:

Rummel coined the term democide, defined as

“the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder.”

Obviously the definition excludes natural causes as you suggest. Democides were mostly exerted by communist regimes:

128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS

61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State

35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist China

20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State

10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS

5,964,000 Murdered: Japan’s Savage Military

2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State

1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges

1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State

1,585,000 Murdered: Poland’s Ethnic Cleansing

1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State

1,072,000 Murdered: Tito’s Slaughterhouse"

Actually looking it up, even the black book of communism has the Soviets at 20 million murdered so I have no idea where he’s getting 62 million dead.

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“deka-megamurderers”? lmfaoo

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It’s like a mega-evolved pokemon

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There was this push to use the metric system during the Carter years. He was probably in school then.

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That’s a very common copypasta from those dorks

Just make fun of the patent absurdity of the 62,000,000 Soviet figure. Thats like half their 1920-something population

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https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

This is the source provided

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.FIG1.4.GIF

This is how they got to 62 million by the USSR

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So they literally are including WWII casualties as “victims of communism”

Death tolls for the Collectivization and famine and the 37-38 terror are greatly exaggerated based on estimates of current scholarship.

I also have absolutely no clue how they got that “Post-War” figure, that’s ludicrous.

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https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.TAB1A.GIF

This gives a more detailed breakdown, it looks like they’re claiming 50 million dead from forced labor camps (“at least 1 million dead per year”) and he claims it’s a “conservative estimate”.

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Those numbers are worse than Conquest’s and Conquest’s have been a laughing stock for 30 years.

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I wanted to do a podcast (because of course) that goes through the black book of communism backwards and applies the same standards to “Capitalism”. There’d hopefully be lots of riffing and absurdity to go through.

The Bigger Blacker Book of Capitalism (a podcast)

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