If you’re right and you aren’t willing to actually communicate why, or worse, if you’re right and you don’t even understand why, you might as well be wrong.

If you’re going to argue with people on the internet, and I know you are, either go full irony or actually take time to work out an argument that you know is going to be persuasive, none of this halvsies shit.

I was on the edge of becoming a leftist for like six months. That’s literally how long it took for me to even be exposed to the idea that capitalism is bad for inherent and structural reasons, and not because of all the really obvious shit that liberals also disagree with but think can be reformed away.

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To my benefit it’s hard to pull sources when you’re supposed to be working

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You don’t even need sources, just the right arguments.

If you’re supposed to be working and you don’t have time for that, just go irony mode. I have nothing against low effort shitposts.

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Low effort shit posts are my go to for reddit now for the most part, if I want to make a cogent argument I’ll just publish the damn thing

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lmao couple days ago there was a pro china posts about the uighurs and they posted a whole fucking google doc about it but they didnt want to go into detail about the currewnt situation nor did they try to refute any western propaganda

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Multiple people gave you specifically greater detail, and there were multiple comments in that thread that provided condensed versions of the key points.

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Another example: people who are arguing that ACAB will correctly point out that police brutality rates are unacceptably high even with underreporting, correctly point out that police are a historically racist institution, then leave it at that.

All of that evidence is correct, but it does nothing to refute a “bad apples” reformist worldview. Unless you include the real, core police abolitionist arguments-- the ones that show the concept is utterly rotten with no regard for implementation-- you’re never going to convert a liberal.

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Or failing to mention that the first police were escaped slave catchers.

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Liberalism you don’t fucking tell me what to do

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I already did

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Pretty sure this is just a joke based on my name

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Why don’t you just lead the way, hot shot? Give me some of those persuasive arguments in descending order of their power of leftist seduction.

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If you’re arguing against capitalism and you don’t mention at least

(A) the problems that persist even with the most ideal, sanitized, socdem form of capitalism

(B) the impossibility of meaningful reform against the threat of wealthy interests

The best you can do is make a reformist think we need to reform even harder.

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All good internet dorks have heard of the paperclip maximizer problem: an artificial intelligence that pursues a seemingly benign end to such an extreme that it kills the planet.

We’ve already invented one of those. It’s called capitalism. Capitalism is destroying the planet to give us slightly bigger TVs, and it will perpetuate itself until we turn it off.

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