Its especially weird when I see it on the left, because Marx was literally a philosopher, so were many revolutionaries like Lenin and Mao.
EDIT: This might be surprising, but philosophy does not only refer to bourgeois academics talking nonsense because they have nothing better to do
plenty of people are into scientism where the scientific method is both perfect and the only way we have of achieving knowledge. i happen to like reading especially literary theory and i would figure that anyone interested in being critical of society (like presumably everyone here) should be willing to think critically about most other stuff too.
but for some stuff the barrier of entry seems excessively high so i cant blame people for not knowing about everything kant said or whatever. but i think dismissing it is weird.
Scientism is unfortunately rampant on the left, yes. Don’t know exactly how to combat it because you can’t exactly tell people “hey just read Foucault” or something like that.
Liberalism is unfortunately rampant on the left, of which scientism is a symptom of. Vestige of all the enlightenment “human rationality” stuff yk
Vestige of all the enlightenment “human rationality” stuff yk
I hate when people fetishize the enlightenment.
If I hear one more :reddit-logo:oid-tier take about “enlightenment values”, I’m going to have a fucking aneurism.
Abahlali baseMjondolo (shack dwellers movement in South Africa) recently did a reading club thing on Foucault’s work.
I really should read Foucault.
I like post modernism and Foucault rocks but I have my issues. My main one being that it’s generally VERY culturally centred and it basically is good at describing modern capitalism super well but they don’t really propose much in regard to solutions that isn’t ‘modernist’ leftist theory ala Marx or Lenin in practice. I’m into dat weird cultural critcism but I generally consider post modernism more insightful than actionably useful
Not to mention they always reference like 50 older philosophers or historians so I just feel like an idiot because I have no idea what they’re talking about
Now imagine people 100 years in the future trying to make sense of contemporary leftists referencing twitter and yotube drama.
Lenin is very easy to read though he’s a good writer clear and to the point it might be because he was a lawyer
A couple options:
A lot of people hate being in their own heads.
Ideas that change how you view the world are painful if you arent used to them.
Some people really just don’t like engaging in what’s beyond their own vision and experience.
Most people don’t get the chance to do philosphy amd don’t know what doing philosophy is so they just think its a bunch of pedophiles in a circlejerk
The first one is the one that interests me, since moving into shared acomidations I’ve been amazed by the amount of people that play very loud music while in the shower. The intention is so that they don’t have to be with their own thoughts.
That first bit just astounds me. I’ve only recently come to the realization (or perhaps acceptance,) that people aren’t thinking all the time. It’s probably my ADHD, but almost always regardless of what I’m doing, I have an internal dialogue going on at the same time. And most of that thinking is about things and ideas, why the world is the way it is, how can we improve it, can we improve it, etc etc etc.
I have such a hard time believing there are people that don’t do that. I think there is a sort of hubris in believing so. But maybe it’s true. I don’t know. How could it be though? WHAT IS GOING ON INSIDE THEIR HEADS? Drives me mad to think about.
If you knew the guy in my head you wouldn’t want to be alone in there either. He is a real dick.
well philosophers keep saying weird stupid shit like doubting the existence of chairs and doubting that the universe described by science is real
Joke or not, sometimes people use esoteric philosophy about the nature of the world to avoid issues that clearly exist and affect regular people. That’s not so much an issue with philosophy as with philosophy enthusiasts, though.
of course, but theres also good philosophy out there, and its a shame that people would throw away such an important tool just because of that.
You just gotta read better philosophy. It’s not all forms and existantial theories. Epistemology is really useful for leftists as is logic.
It’s the issue people have with philosophers and philosophy a lot of what they say makes no sense and seems to be not only out of touch with regular people but reality itself
so when they see some of them saying stuff like the external world doesn’t exist they just check out and assume that whoever said it and any field that would indulge them is pompous and stupid
i never understood why this is a relevant argument cause from my understanding most (all?) like skepticism of external reality is based on skepticism of the senses and this argument doesn’t address that in any way. i guess i don’t have the full context tho
I think what is more chilling when they try to argue that other people don’t have consciousness
I’m not entirely convinced animals don’t have consciousness, or the fucking plants, it could just be so alien a mode of experience that it doesn’t even fucking look that way
reading about people’s experiences on strong ass psychedelics made me question if we are the only “conscious entities”, some people describe time completely breaking on DMT as well as just “feeling” a single color for like infinity or all kinds of weird shit
for all I know trees are experiencing everything at once
where is the massive toke emoji
“”“Imagine thinking the universe is “real.” Could never be me.”
— George Berkeley"
— Protagoras"
— Prajapati
