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we need muuuuuh genetic purity
I’ve never really understood the intense desire to create a biological kid. For a lot of couples it really does seem like “we want to see what we would look like mixed together” which almost seems narcissistic? But I’ve never raised kids and have barely thought about having a “family” someday so maybe I’m just missing something.
Adoption is actually not easy. Also baby makin’ is easy and fun
Fostering and adopting an older kid is cool and good though
Also, I don’t think the desire is necessarily rational. I dont think people are debating whether they want a version of themselves as much as feeling a mixture of biological and social pressures to reproduce.
The desire to reproduce is entirely natural, it’s industrial society that made it a value proposition
I don’t oppose people choosing to have their own biological children if that’s what they want.
I don’t know, maybe we could try detaching basic needs like shelter, food, and medical care from degrading labor? We could give families social support instead of alienating them from one another at every turn and reducing ‘time spent at work or at home’ to a mere matter of ‘taste’ to be determined by the market? We have free public education and childcare, those jobs are properly compensated and celebrated rather than denigrated and paid a pittance? Raising children is treated as a community effort and worthy in its own right rather than an individual pattern of consumption or expression?
Blaming people for not adopting is like blaming people for not turning their homes into a homeless shelter. People can and do indeed do that, but it is above and beyond and does not fix the underlying problem. I think anti-natalism is a bit of a :LIB: position and tries to say that by essentially changing our consumption habits and ‘choices’ regarding children we can fix the problem. That reduces children to an interchangeable commodity, though, which is kind of gross, and is clearly ignorant of the quasi-religious/spiritual significance of reproducing. You may not feel that or appreciate it, but it’s pretty fucking infuriating to see someone so glibly disregard it without appearing to even try to respect the reasons.
I understand why that’s the choice for most couples. I think there should be more incentives for adopting.
Not having the time, money and economic security to raise kids seem to do a good job at overriding that evolutionary imperative. Maybe it’s just not that much of an imperative? I mean, humans had to evolve that whole recreational sex thing to trick themselfs into fucking enough and as soon as you give them an option to have recreational sex without the side effect of tons of babies, they’re all like fuck yes gimme.
I love how the struggle sessions on this site are like 20% on leftist theory and 80% on stuff like antinatalism, Marx’s view of religion, the ethics of being a soldier, etc
Someone please wife me
