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China is the size of the USA? WTF

holy shit we would be FUCKED if we tried a hot war lmao

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shit looks small on the map

damn China must have been a fucking disaster pre-communism if Japan dunked on them like that

edit: bruh Australia is fucking bigger than the USA :thinking-about-it:

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China must have been a fucking disaster pre-communism if Japan dunked on them like that

it was barely even a state for a decent period - after the downfall of the Qing dynasty, the first attempt at democracy went to shit, since as a compromise they had to appoint a general from the previous government to be the president, and he tried to reestablish the monarchy with him as the emperor, causing the whole country to dissolve into literal warlord states. The KMT under Kai-Shek officially “united” the country by the '30s, but in practice they didn’t actually subjugate all the warlords, they had to cut deals and compromises with some of them, so it still wasn’t a completely centralized state.

Additionally, Tibet wasn’t part of China yet, Xinjiang was the one warlord state that the KMT never managed to get, Manchuria and a part of Inner Mongolia were under Japanese control even before the war proper, so in reality China was a lot smaller, and even within that territory you still had powerful warlord sub-states like the Ma and Yunnan cliques. It was a complete mess, it’s really a testament to the power of communism what achievements were attained from this starting point.

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edit: bruh Australia is fucking bigger than the USA

USA is bigger than Australia

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It’s just the CCP doing a populism to stay in power. I won’t be fooled.

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i’m a one issue voter. train gang

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im a one issue voter. communism is the issue

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I’m planning a trip to China next year and I was looking at the train times between major cities. The fact that I can go from Beijing to Shanghai (like a thousand miles) in 4 hours for right around $100 is insane. In the US going that far would cost double or triple that and take one or two days.

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Also the travel time alone on that trip is like 6-8 days

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What level of Western leftist am I if the trains alone are like 30% of the reason I’d want to live in China?

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I’ve been thinking for years that my dream is to live somewhere I can walk/use public transportation to get to work, home, shops and so on. And couple that with the very real improvement China is doing (I’ve never know a US government that did anything other than war and highways) it seems like the place for me to live.

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Considering all the time on either side of a flight (driving to the airport, parking, security, waiting for the flight, boarding, take off, etc), planes are really only faster if the train ride is more than four hours. And that isn’t even considering how much more enjoyable it is to ride trains.

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That’s really cool. Also yeah that’s something I’m looking forward to if the trip turns out to be possible is the train ride.

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Plus you can actually do stuff on trains because they’re so chill and comfy.

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Yeah, listening to the bells and blips as someone three rows up plays majiang without headphones is so awesome. And China train meals are the worst. At least in other countries you can get off and buy food from vendors on the platform.

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That simply does not match my experience with Chinese high speed rail at all. Why do you hate China so much and tell these lies?

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do you expect them to be accepting travellers by then or are you going for work or something (if you don’t mind my asking)? i thought i heard somewhere that they weren’t expecting to open up again fully until like 2025 but i haven’t really looked into it much, but i’d love to visit as soon as i could.

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I’m just in the money saving phase but this is all predicated on whatever the situation around summer of next year is. I have some distant family there but afaik that isn’t enough rn.

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Before Deng Xiaoping hijacked the people’s revolution onto the capitalist road.

Considering what happened to all of the other socialist countries around 1989, any analysis that doesn’t conclude that Dengism saved Chinese Communism is wrong on its face.

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It’s an even better deal if you’re a resident

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4 hours? More like 6, depending on the train.

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Bruh, most of the train from Beijing South Station to Shanghai Hongqiao Station is around 4 and a half hours

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the crazy thing is that this map is completely outdated

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Ok I was thinking like wtf there’s one line going to Xinjiang and nothing else in the entire western half? They’ve gotta quit slackin, lol

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There’s nothing in the western half. The Heihe–Tengchong Line divides the area of China into two roughly equal parts with contrasting population densities. As of 2015, 94% of China’s population live east of the line, in 43% of its area, whereas 57% of the area of the country is west of the line, but only 6% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heihe–Tengchong_Line

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Do you not have anything better to do with your time

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