So my assumption that the Ukrainian government wants atrocity porn seems pretty accurate. They want a pile of dead foreign volunteers to try to sway opinion in their home countries. What better agitprop to your average American hog than a dead soldier? Ukraine doesn’t really have the power to defend itself so it needs to pull in whatever resources and support it can, however it can. Imo it’s why they were pushing molotovs. Flaming Russian tanks are a hell of a message even if the thrower is dead.
The Ukrainian army is not even retrieving the bodies of any foreign volunteers who die. They’re definitely hoping some chud who was prom king at his highschool gets turned into war pig tartare.
I’m talking about the consistency of their bodies after they get riddled with bullets, not that Russians are cannibals. Edited the comment to be more clear lol
Yeah us South Africans will eat the Russians instead
Context for the joke, it’s a type of sussage in South Africa
atrocity porn, that’s a succinct way of describing what the US/NATO wants out of this whole debacle. Whatever happens to Ukraine when this is over, the US establishment gets what it wanted. The MIC gets it’s ultimate renewed big bad enemy, the continually grossly inflated military budget will never be questioned. Their foreign military presence around Russia, Iran and China will expand.
America the UK and France’s foreign policy makes a lot more sense when you always keep in the back of your mind how much their economies rely on arms sales.
the arms deallers do not want peace
that to me is the biggest and easiest argument you can throw against capitalism “why should industries which profit only when bad things happen, be allowed to operate for profit? Doesn’t that create the incentive to make bad things happen?”
Hi, yes, I was assured the Russian army was a bunch of farmers with fake guns who would all surrender the minute we arrived. I was assured this would be as easy as fighting in Afghanistan with American air superiority. I was assured one American volunteer is worth 10,000 Russians.
I’d like to speak with the war’s manager please.
People honestly believe that Ukrainians have some innate fighting spirit which makes them never lose. It seems like the media is just repurposing the Volk myth.
We really have no idea what’s going on there do we? And the mainstream media is absolutely useless, having prioritized propaganda over anything else
they’ll have to rebuild some school building after Russians attacked it
The Ukrainian military, especially Azov, have been taking over schools and hospitals to attack Russian troops from. They typically evacuate the buildings first, but not always.
Russian sources are obviously completely biased as well, but they’re actively winning so a lot more of the details are on their side. If it was the other way around, we’d probably see some amount of this in reverse.
Meanwhile Ukraine’s propganda department seems a lot less competent and is trying to do stupid shit like have Russia’s twitter account banned or insist video game cut scenes are actually from the war.
Ukraine’s propaganda department is very competent. They’re not trying to produce anything resembling a comprehensive account of actual events though as they know that nerds moving pins around on maps are not an important demographic. Instead they’re telling a Hollywood story that westoids will sympathise with. Instead of telling how the tanks are moving around, they tell the story of the good democratic white nation, being led by a sexy progressive president, who is the underdog being attacked by the evil Asiatic hordes.
Who cares if the Ghost of Kiev or the “fuck you Russian ship” stories are true? They are good stories that westoids will snort up like cocaine.
No, and that second part you mentioned is what makes it so unnerving; I’ve mentioned a lot about how Ukraine literally just conscripted prisoners with military experience and tossed them in, but I’m having trouble finding anywhere besides Newsweek now mentioning that (it also quotes Zelensky himself saying both “Ukrainians with real combat experience will be released from custody and will be able to compensate for their guilt in the hottest spots” and “All sanctions against some individuals who participated in the Anti-Terrorist Operation will be lifted. The key thing now is defense”).
There is also little mention by mainstream sources of the conscription of all men in areas of martial law that Ukraine performed in late Feb; the intercept is basically it. Reuters has an article, but it’s fucking 3 sentences.
Hell, if you search for “Ukraine conscript prisoners”, you’ll mostly find how Russia is sending in conscripts.
Combatants hiding in an ambulance, then sneaking off wearing red cross patches… isn’t that like very illegal in a warzone? I get it, you’re scared shitless and would do anything to save your own life, but it begs the question: how many people are doing the same thing out there?
these volunteer brigades themselves are of somewhat questionable legality themselves. You could (and Russia is) make the argument that they are foreign mercenaries who have no rights or protections that national soldiers have. Seems like quite the clusterfuck though if people are escaping in ambulances.
Pretty sure combatants wearing medic outfits is a war crime, yeah.
The cowards and murderers doing this are also giving cover for any Ukrainian soldiers who want to attack from ambulances or while wearing medic uniforms. This shittt and selfish behavior is going to get actual medics killed.
If they don’t have equipment or guns or any interest in anything but escaping, are they really even combatants though? At this point they are basically refugees — who got themselves into their own mess— but refugees nonetheless
That’s not what those uniforms are for. Misrepresenting what you are puts actual medics in danger. Those chuds signed up to fight someone’s war, they should see it through or run like the soldiers they claimed they were.
They’re not even conscripted or drafted, they chose to go there. These guys are not refugees, they are the cause of refugees.
These men do not deserve sympathy, they deserve a bullet to the back of the head.
IF they were “soldiers” of a military and were using the ambulance to transport troops to a fight or using the ambulance to ambush, yes.
But they were fleeing and they were “volunteers” so would probably be considered “civilians” trying to flee a battlefield. So, not illegal.
Yes, but then it would be just regular civilian killing, which is also a big no-no. When you’re this deep into the fog of war I don’t think people are asking an awful lot of questions before opening fire. Either way, this is a shitstorm in the making.
If Russian troops suspected that the “mercenaries” were in an ambulance and dressed as civilian medics, then their own ROE would allow them to attack.
If Russian troops were unsure, situation depending, they’d probably just let them go. POW’s are a pain and civilians getting killed just makes things harder for Russia in the long run.
But yeah, setting a bad precedent on top of all the other bad precedents is just … :smoking-fish: … making this stupid shit even more stupider.
Imagine going to be a freedom fighter in Ukraine only for their government to send you to your death as cannon fodder.
Then when you show up at the Pearly Gates, God is just like “lol you died fighting for Nazis, where do you think you’re going?”
