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Uh huh.

It’s just another way people choose to spend their time. We are already free but the problem is chaos reigns supreme. Our governments are just “order” naturally made from “chaos”. So no government is actually supreme. I suppose protestation is also another segment of “order” from “chaos” but the the result won’t ever be a contrasting change made in our lifetime.

Same for education and change… And anything else. We are at the mercy of universal laws. Nothing will ever change that except maybe going full matrix and creating a digital world with coded rules that would take the place of universe/God and “humanity”.

Freedom is only found in the present moment. All else is wasting the future.

This was supposed to be a joke but I also think it’s true.

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You sound like a Gnostic that believes that they are having a personal battle with the Demiurge. There are the rules of “spirit” also known as common sense that confine what nature can be. However the rules of matter often discover that the world is stranger than our cultural ancestors presumed and we should update our understanding accordingly. A more accurate understanding helps one understand why something exists. Knowing why something exists can tell you how to make something not exist. This applies to living things, people, societal concepts and all other things. To give up on the concept of understanding is to relinquish one’s power to those that want to keep power. It is the common sense of the spirit that fights understanding that truly limits ones power and freedom more than the limits of matter.

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I’m always impressed by the knowledge and academic type responses you “communists” respond with.

I’m just a loner stoner that’s been lost in though for nearly 2 decades and most the stuff people say goes over my head., lol.

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Why’d you put communists in quotes? Serious question

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TLDR

Its good to learn things. Its good to apply oneself in earnest to the universe to see where they are wrong in practical tests. Both success and failure teach you how the world works. Its better than presuming there is nothing to learn and nothing will ever change.

Perhaps your comprehension skills will improve if you lay off the pot.

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You need to start thinking in materialist categories. “Order” in society does not exist as a universal principle, it is always the byproduct of concrete interests with concrete means to enforce them, and the fundamental nature of the social order depends on and changes with what these interests are. Once you know this, you can understand the dialectics of society and convince yourself that only the lower class can and must be the motor for fundamental social change. The role of protest is not to create further “order”, but to articulate the interests of the lower class and sections within it, to mend its internal divisions, and to precipitate the changes its interests necessitate.

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peaceful protests are useless because the government can safely ingore them. violent protest forces the government to take action, just look at the history of the civil rights movement in the US. The objective of effective protest should not be to announce your displeasure with the governments actions, but to make it more costly for them to continue than to capitulate.

Heres a good quote from Stokely Carmichael about this:

“Dr. King’s policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.”

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To add on to this, I dont think you have to choose between persuing progress within the current system and building support for revolution, rather persuing progress within the current system shows the proletariat that your movement gets shit done and the two objectives work in harmony. The biggest concern is making sure reformists or other liberal movements do not take credit for any gains made and use them as proof that complete liberation is possible under capitalism when in fact it is not. The revolutionaries have to be seen as the champions of this progress in the eyes of the masses in order to build support for revolution.

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I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

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If you think the point is to pressure change, most of the time, yeah, it’s useless.

It’s a great opportunity to catch people moving up the radicalization ladder to pull them left.

In more extreme moments with sufficient organization behind them, protests can develop into revolutions such as the fascist counter-revolution in Ukraine in 2014. That obviously didn’t change much about the underlying system in Ukraine other than installing a western puppet and further empowering the fascists.

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They’re worse than useless for pressuring; as in this day and age, they’ve started locking up protestors against unpopular policy, and a solid half of them have gotten federal RICO charges applied to whatever else the prosecutor’s office wants to nail them with. (I’ll let you guess which half did.) (Like for real the more I think about it, I don’t think a single Jan. 6th Rioter caught RICO charges; but the Cop City protestors did? Cracker shit.)

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The point of protests (in proper revolutionary movements) is to gather support and get your agenda out there so that it is un-ignorable.

Violent protest is the only useful protest if your criteria for useful is government change. But we know government change isn’t coming without revolution or at the very least the serious threat of it.

So yes and no.

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Violent protest is the only useful protest if your criteria for useful is government change

Roadblocks and disruptive protests fit this category. Make it more expensive for them to disobey the people than to submit.

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