The melatonin and i-pad time generation is gonna be deeply unwell holy
I feel like if a sizeable chunk of children are having to take sleep-aids it’s a pretty good sign that shit is fucked.
[Intro]
What a drag it is getting old
[Verse 1]
“Kids are different today,” I hear every parent say
Children need something today to calm them down
And though they’re not really ill, there’s a little yellow pill
[Refrain]
We go running for the shelter of our parent’s little helper
And it helps them on their way, gets them through their kiddie day
I’ve suffered with addiction and am currently struggling to figure out how to give me kids a chance at not doing the same without alienating them entirely from their peers.
It would be cool if the default parenting style wasn’t to gift toddlers skinner boxes and feed them cocaine juice all day
The amount of kids I see getting coffee drinks at Starbucks is crazy, not sure why the parents can’t just get them a juice or hot chocolate
That’s the thing. Juice and hot chocolate are also pumped full of extra sugar. In some cases a kid with ADHD would be better off drinking a coffee than a hot chocolate
True, at least compared with an actual coffee vs the caffeinated milkshakes that Starbucks pumps out
My kids aren’t quite at the age to talk about drugs. I’m more worried about other addictive behaviors. I’m comfortable with the drugs conversation. But social media addiction? Gambling in the form of exploitative video game microtransactions? That shit is so normalized even in games designed for toddlers
I bet a lot of these are because the melatonin is a delicious gummy.
and for a child the safe dose would be like, less than half of one of those gummies
I was suggesting that ODs were related to the drug being packaged like candy.
- give kids access to software designed to constantly undermine their attention through manipulative design. Don’t blame Google OK?
- keep them at home or doing some adult supervised activity 24/7. Unsupervised play among their peers is dangerous, they could be kidnapped!
- school is just a giant prep course for a series of standardized tests. If your kid sees no point in that, though luck!
- kid can’t focus/sleep/is acting out? Give them drugs!
- what do you mean this is not how humans have developed for most of their existence?
- Oh, so you want out? OK, how much cash do you have??? :porky-happy:
keep in mind I’m a dipshit who has never had to raise a kid, but things look bleak indeed.
If your kid sees no point in that, though luck!
I’m not defending teaching to maximize standardized test scores but kids don’t see the point in a lot of things that are objectively good for them and they should be made to do.
When I was a kid I didn’t see the point in eating vegetables, and in retrospect I’m glad that my parents sat me down at the table and made me eat my greens.
For the study, Lelak and her colleagues collected data on more than 260,000 children poisoned by melatonin who were reported to the American Association of Poison Control Centers’ National Poison Data System from Jan. 1, 2012, to Dec. 31, 2021. Over that time, poisonings increased from about 8,340 in 2012 to nearly 53,000 in 2021
This can’t be real, how the fuck 20 percent of kids getting poisoned?
Ah, can’t read for shit, it’s describing how one fifth of poisoned kids occurred in one tenth of time
Melatonin is packaged in doses that are quite literally 10 to 100 times larger than the minimum effective dose in a large adult human.
edit to add: it’s also a powerful psychoactive drug that’s treated like a vitamin
it’s also a powerful psychoactive drug that’s treated like a vitamin
Lol it’s done nothing to me and I’ve taken like 30 mg at a time
In https://news.mit.edu/1999/melatonin-1103 , “She also said that one of the trickier aspects of choosing an appropriate dose of melatonin for use as a sleep aid is that “normal” melatonin levels vary widely among individuals and the same dose of the hormone can induce different levels depending on the individual’s age or health. She recommends measuring individual melatonin levels, or, if this is not feasible, starting with a tiny dose (0.1 mg) and gradually increasing it until the desired effect is noticed.”
I don’t think the SFN publishes their talks and posters as journal articles and I had trouble finding the paper I remembered from my stint as a neuroscience grad student years ago. In that article, they ran an experiment whose goal was identifying minimum effective dosages in humans and came up with 100 micrograms as a dose that works for most people, with the vast majority (i.e., > 95%) of people responding to 300 micrograms.
