Very likely this case is decided this week
100 years of Liberal reformism undone in a single month by an ancient unelected council of monarchs
Liberals trusted in the system and the judges, and now their failed system is unraveling on itself
100 years from now people will point to this ruling as the thing that started balkanization or the thing that made the US objectively fascist
like, every program designed to make capitalism livable might get gutted
I did not think the US would fall apart in the near future
but now I think the US will fall apart in the near future
Alternatively: we acknowledge the supreme court as an illegitimate body, and tell them to fuck off Andrew Jackson style.
…I’m not gonna bet on either ATM.
Nowadays I feel that the US is incapable of pulling itself out of its institutional death spiral. There are a very simple series of steps and concessions that would pacify people and make capitalism healthier, more stable, and more profitable, but politics is so completely fucked that it literally cannot take those steps (like the one you suggest) in the way it used to be able to.
It’s like a scared animal with its head stuck in a plastic jug of treats. It could stop eating the treats, take a second to calm down, and pull its head out. But it’s just an animal. It will die instead.
ive been betting on this 100% happening really ever since. covid began. i feel like there was a noticeable shift in terms of just what became tolerated by the public, and how far fascists would take things to get what they wanted…. no one i said anytjing to about this took me seriously
That’s the thing about “accelerationism”
It’s not something that the left does on purpose to collapse capitalism cynically. It’s something that capitalism does to itself if you just sit back and watch. Accepting the reality that is coming and preparing for it gets called “accelerationist” by the radlibs who still buy into the system’s long-term viability (delusional) because they cannot cope or accept that their path won’t work and only delays the inevitable, and when they sellout to the bourgeois reformist system it associates the collapse of capitalism with them and dirties their hands as much as the Liberals, making the left less legitimate when trying to fight capitalism.
That’s why the left should focus on organizing itself apart from bourgeois parties, fight from outside the system and create separate systems of labor power.
100%. The Dobbs ruling was obviously horrible but this has the potential to end the federal govt as we know it. If they did that, the chaos would almost definitely send us back to an Articles of Confederation-style government, if the US survives at all.
:lets-fucking-go: I cant wait to open a opium den and sell illegal arms out the back.
Robert Meyers, a partner at Crowell & Moring LLC and former acting EPA assistant administrator under President George W. Bush, said a Supreme Court decision invoking the nondelegation or major questions doctrines wouldn’t instantaneously change the way the federal regulatory apparatus works.
But, he said, it might spur Congress to legislate more specifically in the future. And while that would be difficult and take time, it might not be impossible.
“Congress would have to change,” said Meyers, who as a staffer for the House Energy and Commerce Committee worked on the 1990 amendment to the Clean Air Act.
“Congress has institutional imperative to be relevant,” he said. “And if the courts are overturning their laws, because they’re too vague, over time I would expect Congress would adapt, too, institutionally. I think they wouldn’t assign themselves any more irrelevancy than they had to.”
Good article that really spells it out, tl;dr the Supreme Court is probably going to dissolve all regulatory power of the executive because Congress is supposed to make laws and the Executive is just supposed to enforce them.
This is hilarious, they’re going to bring the country to it’s knees by putting the onus on Congress to write hundreds of pages of regulations for every minor detail that the usual agencies crank out with the help of experts who’ve built their entire careers on regulating one little policy or another.
Probably lol, and worst part is you know Biden would roll over and say it’s out of his hands to do anything since he doesn’t want to rock the boat.
The Clean Air Act was written to allow EPA to regulate new pollutants for new problems — as long as they meet a statutory threshold of endangering public health and welfare. In 2009, EPA made such a finding for six greenhouse gases. It still underpins regulations for motor vehicles and other sources of climate pollution — including the power plant rule at stake in West Virginia vs. EPA.
If the agency had to wait for Congress to act on climate change — such as might occur under the major questions doctrine — it would almost certainly still be waiting. In 2009, the House passed a major climate law for the first time, but it never received a vote in the Senate.
Hashing out the nitty-gritty of rulemakings in Congress would likely exacerbate the legislative gridlock that exists today, not lessen it, said Xan Fishman, director of energy policy and carbon management at the Bipartisan Policy Center.
“The more details you have to come to an agreement on, the harder it is to come to agreement,” he said. “And sometimes it’s easier to forge a bipartisan agreement and leave some of the details to the administration to figure out. That’s always kind of a gamble as to what the next administration is going to be, or who’s actually making those regulations. But you know, in a bipartisan deal in Congress, you just kind of live with that.”
Section 111(d) of the Clean Air Act — the section of law that the West Virginia case is concerned with — runs approximately 300 words. But the final Clean Power Plan was 304 pages long, while the Trump-era replacement was 68 pages. Both are stocked with potentially controversial details that might have stymied agreement among lawmakers.
IANAL but one part of Section 111(d) of the Clean Air Act is basically saying states need to submit plans which do things like establish standards of performance for existing source of air pollution in circumstances where standards don’t exist already. Or something like that. There’s nothing quantitative, it really is just 300 words, starting with “The EPA shall prescribe regulations…” and the article OP linked seems to imply that the SC is going to say that Congress should actually be doing the regulations, in all the gory details that agencies like the EPA does. So yeah I could definitely see how this would bring the government to a standstill by totally overloading Congress with every regulatory duty that’s been delegated to every agency in the Executive.
Probably lol, and worst part is you know Biden would roll over and say it’s out of his hands to do anything since he doesn’t want to rock the boat.
Not only is the boat already rocking, it!s getting dangerously close to capsizing.
It won’t bring anything to a standstill because they don’t want to actually do anything and nobody can force them to. Any regulations not already in existence will never made. Those that do exist are going to be removed sometimes. If this happens I’m simply not going to trust any product that wasn’t already in the market because it won’t be tested.
Couldn’t that just force us to adopt a more parliamentary system where Congress appoints the leaders of the federal agencies instead of the president?
Gotta be honest, I thought President Mecha Hitler would be the one tearing the US apart when he wins in 2024, not the 9 un-elected deities
Maybe we do have a comrade in Joe; he seems to have a steadfast commitment to accelerationism by not just packing the court to minimize the damage it is going to do
Or he’s just as dumb as a sack of hammers, your call lmao
anyone else making plans to leave the country?
The American diaspora is going to be such a funny phenomenon. Half will leave the country due to violent discrimination, and half will be boomer retirees frustrated by the increasing lack of treats and comforts.
true. I doubt it’s going to be any appreciable number of people though, given how hard it is to immigrate to places any better than the US
my clown ass got a degree that’s worthless outside this country, don’t know how i could swing it. I live in a lib state that voted for Bernie in the primary, so hoping that we’ll be okay if the federal govt collapses
:sadness-abysmal:
that sucks, there are only like a handful of degrees that make it easy to leave unfortunately.
Time to get married overseas lmao, cause my labor ain’t valuable enough on its own.
