This is bernie sanders’ fault
this is the country preaching to you about democracy
Do they teach that line at schools in the US? I’ve seen Americans on the internet mention it very regularly, but it just seems so odd. Some (liberal) democracies are monarchies and some are republics. Why do Americans all seem to think those things are mutually exclusive？
Not explicitly. However, many textbooks (thanks Texas) provide ample room for a teacher to veer into “representative republic” discourse.
To answer the second part, our history education is very focused on an a “progression of the west” ice of history. They first teach us about the revolution, then the continental strains of thought that led to it, Ancient Greece into to the Rome, so on and so forth in that it presents a deeply Eurocentric perspective from an american propaganda perspective.
The hinge point is that part of Americas internal propaganda is that direct democracy is dangerous. They point to oligarchy of Athens (I. Different terms) as good. They point to the monarchy fascist whatever you call Sparta and say “had some good ideas but took it too far”.
The Rome education is very Optimates biased, after all, “if bread and circus buys them they are proof that society needs stewards”. It’s just elitist bullshit. America always was, by, and for those who abused their power to lark as the romans.
Point is, direct democracy is portrayed as antithetical to the “holy will” of the founding fathers (praise be upon them) and their sacred writ if the constitution.
Because
Republic = Republican
Democracy = Democrat
It’s the dumbest possible partisan culture war debate lmao
Schrodinger’s America: it’s a democracy when you bloviate about China bad, but a repuuuuuublic when your glass house comes back to bite you
Because they’re dumber than dogshit.
We’re a democratic republic, like you said they arent mutually exclusive but even the chuds figured out just yelling “fuck democracy” isn’t a good look.
It’d be like if you said you can’t get mad that your car cant drive because it’s not a car it’s a Toyota.
It’s a conservative thing, they love to pull out the “we’re a constitutional republic, democracy is MOB RULE!!” line to own the libs when they complain about the electoral college
Realistically “republic” just means “non-monarchy,” i.e. a system of representatives (democratically elected or not) instead of a monarch. 90% of the world from North Korea to Yemen are constitutional republics.
So is the Republic of South Africa, yet South Africa still a multi party parliamentary democracy that abides by one person one vote. Being a republic doesn’t mean that you have to implement an anti democratic system by default lmao.
it’s technically a republic.
I hate that this became a chud talking point because it’s meaningless if you know what words mean.
Implying any American, myself included knows what words cruel. Mean and cruel are synonyms right?
USA democracy moment™®
33.3%, or 1/3 of US elections in the 21st century have ended up like this by the way. And in 16.6% or 1/6 of elections in the 21st century, the partisan courts have refused to do a recount that would lead to the candidate favoured by the partisan court losing the election. And in another 1/6 (lol) of elections in the 21st century, supporters of the losing candidate stormed the Capitol and were treated with kids gloves by the state security forces and the police, and were even assisted by them.
And yet they preach about "democracy.
Lol and Kavanaugh and Barrett, who are now LIFETIME appointments to the Supreme Court, directly worked on Bush’s legal team pushing to stop the recount in 2000. Chief Justice John Roberts was an adviser to the governor of Florida, Bush’s brother Jeb, during that time as well. But yeah, “wOrLd’S oLdEsT dEmOcRaCy”
Oh man wait until you see the UK elections.
In fairness to Ceredigion, any fair voting method would yield the same result. It’s a coin flip between plaid and labour, and the voters don’t particularly mind either. It was the lib dems before that, and while they are usually yellow Tories, Mark Williams is alright.
The system is ridiculous though.
Reposting a previous comment
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States.
For the non-yanks, when you tick the box next to “Genocide Joe”, you aren’t actually voting for him, you’re voting for the people who pinky promise to do so but aren’t actually required to.
Ordinary citizens are not allowed to cast votes for a presidential candidate. Only the electors, who will face no consequences aside from party disciplinary action should they break the “gentleman’s agreement”, have this power.
If libs cared about voting so much, they’d pitch a much bigger fit about this shit. But they don’t, they care about the status quo.
This is so blatantly not a system for the people. Also every chud who says “we’re a collection of states” should get the wall.
I was around in 2000.
Everybody went out and voted and then when it was time for the dems to actually stand for something and fight for the fact they literally won the election they fucked off and handed it to the Republicans.
They’re not telling you to vote because they want you to vote they’re telling you to vote because they don’t want you to do anything else.
They’re also too cowardly to say “vote democrat.” They’ll just say “VOTE. GO OUT AND VOTE!!” without saying for who. I’m guessing they’re trying to reign in the mythical “moderate conservative” and explicitly telling them to vote democrat will trigger their Patriotic Big Boy Resentment and they’ll vote for Trump out of spite
