Reading a few articles and posts, and I’m still just not getting it beyond a very basic understanding of dialectics being “stuff impacts other stuff and then affects other things including the original thing”. Materialism is easier for me to get.
Can anyone recommend a good book about it that is good for non-philosophers? Something that would work as an audiobook? I love Marx and Engels and generally I would agree with first going to the original sources to tbh their language can be too arcane for me to understand a concept I struggle with this much.
Have you tried Dialectical and Historical Materialism by J. STALIN?
I’ll include a bit of the intro to let folks know what they’re getting into
Dialectical materialism is the world outlook of the Marxist-Leninist party. It is called dialectical materialism because its approach to the phenomena of nature, its method of studying and apprehending them, is dialectical, while its interpretation of the phenomena of nature, its conception of these phenomena, its theory, is materialistic.
Historical materialism is the extension of the principles of dialectical materialism to the study of social life, an application of the principles of dialectical materialism to the phenomena of the life of society, to the study of society and of its history.
When describing their dialectical method, Marx and Engels usually refer to Hegel as the philosopher who formulated the main features of dialectics. This, however, does not mean that the dialectics of Marx and Engels is identical with the dialectics of Hegel. As a matter of fact, Marx and Engels took from the Hegelian dialectics only its “rational kernel,” casting aside its Hegelian idealistic shell, and developed dialectics further so as to lend it a modern scientific form.
“My dialectic method,” says Marx, “is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, … the process of thinking which, under the name of ‘the Idea,’ he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos (creator) of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of ‘the Idea.’ With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind and translated into forms of thought.” (Marx, Afterword to the Second German Edition of Volume I of Capital.)
When describing their materialism, Marx and Engels usually refer to Feuerbach as the philosopher who restored materialism to its rights. This, however, does not mean that the materialism of Marx and Engels is identical with Feuerbach’s materialism. As a matter of fact, Marx and Engels took from Feuerbach’s materialism its “inner kernel,” developed it into a scientific-philosophical theory of materialism and cast aside its idealistic and religious-ethical encumbrances. We know that Feuerbach, although he was fundamentally a materialist, objected to the name materialism. Engels more than once declared that “in spite of” the materialist “foundation,” Feuerbach “remained… bound by the traditional idealist fetters,” and that “the real idealism of Feuerbach becomes evident as soon as we come to his philosophy of religion and ethics.” (Marx and Engels, Vol. XIV, pp. 652-54.)
Dialectics comes from the Greek dialego, to discourse, to debate. In ancient times dialectics was the art of arriving at the truth by disclosing the contradictions in the argument of an opponent and overcoming these contradictions. There were philosophers in ancient times who believed that the disclosure of contradictions in thought and the clash of opposite opinions was the best method of arriving at the truth. This dialectical method of thought, later extended to the phenomena of nature, developed into the dialectical method of apprehending nature, which regards the phenomena of nature as being in constant movement and undergoing constant change, and the development of nature as the result of the development of the contradictions in nature, as the result of the interaction of opposed forces in nature.
In its essence, dialectics is the direct opposite of metaphysics. <note from Alaska, skoubalon on death watch since he’s a metaphysics nerd>
The thing that made it click for me was to think about what it’s in response to.
I think leftists naturally think in terms of dialectical materialism now, but the term is a response to non-dialectical idealism: a simplified version of the world where two-way causal effects are ignored (non-dialectical) and ideas are more powerful than the material world (idealism).
The Red Menace podcast. Episode: The fundamentals of Marxism.
We Red Theory podcast. Episode: WTF is Dialectical Materialism
On top of those, the Dialectics Deep Dive series on Rev Left has been a great supplemental for seeing patterns of the dialectic in action and theory. Although they’re really long there’s some really good moments of clarity I had listening to them, like bringing up the adage about no man stepping into the same river twice.
The society, it’s beliefs and laws are created around the material reality (including production and exchanges) of this society, and influence further development, first assisting it, then starting to counteract it.
It’s more about grounding society existence (as a web of laws, morals, power structures) into concrete reality instead of thinking “some good ideas take time to develop”, it’s about saying that if you don’t change underlying economic structure, the society will default into appropriate for its socioeconomic form laws and structures. Like new deal collapsing back into gilded age, or south collapsing into jim crow, or remarkable similarities between israel and western expansion in usa - the material things happening make other ideological contents fit them.
