Latest foss drama. Consequences of your actions…
the /r/linux subreddit thread about this is as awful as you would imagine.
The SJW’s are coming for your toothbrush!!!-
Person is awfull. But I dont understand, why someone would stop using this software cause of that.
well it’s up to each individual to decide if they want to use that software or not
That wasn’t my point, whether someone should use it or not. It was more that I don’t understand a decision to reject this software for this reason. There is no question that this person is reactionary.
Personally, I don’t want to support a project, whether as a user or some sort of contributor, if such a project is ran by a dangerous person whose actions are harmful and threaten the safety of trans people (for example). Similar to the event of PolyMC’s hostile takeover by a reactionary, I worry about my safety of using a program if it is ran by someone with malicious perspectives and ideas.
In my opinion, the community has an obligation to condemn reactionaries within their community and by all means protect all of their members, through any means necessary. If reactionaries are given multiple chances to redeem themselves and still reject the demands of the community, they deserve to be removed by the community. The community shall fill the void of any valuable lost products created by reactionary individuals if necessary.
I was about to give hyprland a try to see what the wayland offerings were like but after I saw that thread yesterday, I think I’m just going to stick to the screen tearing beauty of xmonad.
Thanks for the recommendations! Niri is very interesting as a proof of concept.
Vivarium looks like its not very actively developed which is sorta sad. I’m going to need to do more research into what’s around. There’s a lot of toy projects out there but not as many mature offerings.
It does seem XMonad is looking for help with a Wayland version: https://discourse.haskell.org/t/xmonad-for-wayland-call-for-help/7812
This is sad. I like hyprland and it’s currently my daily driver. I tend to stay out of communities other than this one so I didn’t know Vaxry was a terrible person.
Sucks, hyprland seems like a cool project. Oh well, guess I’ll stay satisfied on Sway.
Honestly as a Linux normie I just switched from GNOME (X11) to GNOME (Wayland) to Plasma (Wayland)
Every option other than banning Vaxry has been exhausted over the past year and a half. I personally spent several weeks following my last blog post on the matter discussing Vaxry’s behavior in confidence and helping him understand how to improve, and at my suggestion he joined a private community of positive male role models to discuss these issues in a private and empathetic space. After a few weeks of these private discussions, the last thing he said to me was “I do believe there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide”.
Wow, the Hyprland dev is a total POS. Glad I use sway (at least I hope there’s not fascists running it, too). I eventually want to migrate to river once I figure out how to extend it to my needs (probably need to learn Zig first, which is on my bucket list), but I really like sway’s tiling capabilities now.
Hopefully Hyprland is forked with a better dev/team
Honestly, I wish there was an alternative to Wayland, given the number of toxic devs in that sphere and the drama that occurs over the most basic features that never get implemented for many years because the team wants to essentially dictate how people should run their computers, while ignoring all of the special use cases, such as multi-window layouts for scientific programs. (This statement is a bit hyperbolic.)
Though it’s not just Wayland, the open source community in general can be extremely toxic.
Honestly, I wish there was an alternative to Wayland
I’ve been happily using the alternative for more than 25 years so far
Edit: Choosing to stan Poettering is a weird choice. You know he works for microsoft, right? The gigantic fascist software monopoly place that has been openly destroying human rights for decades, collaborates with the CIA/NSA/FBI and US state as a mass surveillance apparatus. He’s also always been an arrogant child, picking fights with principled engineers and working against the efforts of unix philosophy to insert awful windowisms into our ecosystem. Poettering is a disease on FOSS and his legacy is using RedHat/IBM to insert systemd (which is basically CIA bloatware with a massive pid-zero attack surface) into Linux will never be forgiven.
I did not know much, if anything, about Poettering. That’s good to know. My goal is to use OpenRC with s6, and I like how the s6 dev wants to create an init system to compete against systemd. I don’t like systemd for its bloat and flawed design, and some recent features of systemd have been sus.
I don’t pay much attention to dev manchildren, so forgive me if I am not aware of their histories.
Apologies if my Poettering rant was worded too strongly. I guess I just mean that there are very good reasons people dislike him so much. He’s earned far less animosity than he deserves imo.
s6 is cool, though I’ve not played around with it too much. I’ve mostly stuck with runit on my Linux systems since it’s simple, fast and I’m happy with it. You might take a look at dinit, too, if you haven’t already. It’s still maturing, but dinit is probably the most syntactically similar to systemd. Both are very fast.
“I do believe there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide”.
Can someone explain this part to me. Please.
There is a disclaimer if you missed it:
Yes, this is taken out of context. But, if you raise this objection, I struggle to imagine in what context you think this statement can be read sympathetically.
Regardless of what statement this sentence (said from the Hyprland dev) comes from, this is still unhinged and essentially Nazi/fascist-sympathetic. I haven’t seen further context to conversation myself, but I still say the dev is deplorable.
