Protect yourselves and your Trans Comrades. I hate to be a fucking nerd but if you live in a swing district this election will actually matter if they are proposing shit kind of shit; fuck the goddamn Dems for letting it get to this shit. Also find community and join any sort of Orgs you can, there is safety in numbers. If your mental health is good enough, get a gun; even if this shit doesn’t pass half the reason they do this shit is to ratchet up stochastic terrorism. Armed Queers Bash back, don’t let yourself become a statistic.
:guts-rage: transphobes get the wall, one and all
get armed, get first aid equipment
I know it is fun and all, but please, please be careful about people telling you to ‘get armed’ on the internet, and be very very careful if you intend to purchase a gun that you do it fully legally OR completely secretly and break no laws with it, because:
Buying a gun where you are may mean alerting law enforcement that you intend to buy a gun, or submitting to a background check. If you do this you will likely end up on a list of people who own guns and every interaction you have with police after that will be more difficult. It will be linked to your car if you own one. Driving with it certain ways is a crime. Going certain places. And the police will have your number.
If you have to go through these steps legally, but you do not, and you get arrested and your gun found, that is a very big crime and you go to gulag. If you do not have to (gun fair exceptions?) it can still be a massive crime if they find it while you are doing other things. It raises your gulagability either way. That is why:
The way feds spring traps on the sweet little boys and girls etc they try and trick into doing nasty nasty things is always to first ask them if they want to purchase guns. Think about any time really. Buying a gun may make you safer in some ways, but it makes you much less safe against the police, who you should view as your main enemy if you are on the left. I suggest as advice instead:
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Make or contact a friend who already owns guns and practice with them. Arrange a defense plan with them if they have a spare. Join a club or visit a range. Join SRA (or idk whichever the good one is weren’t they cancled?). You are no good owning a gun unless you have some practice anyway, and if you do intend to eventually get one, you can hear from locals what the best way is and what to watch out for.
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Do not ever tell anybody online, by message, over the phone, in person, or psychically in your head if you intend to do anything illegal.
This is generally good advice. It never hurts to be careful and it’s really important to learn your local, state, and federal laws so you don’t get entrapped or otherwise fucked.
But generally speaking, in my experience in the US at least, getting a gun is very easy. Gun ownership is so ubiquitous that buying and owning a gun is very unlikely to trigger any flags or problems (assuming you aren’t a felon). In many states, local law enforcement aren’t involved at any step of your gun purchase and have no easy way of knowing you’re armed. The background check is a short call to the FBI and the form you fill out often stays there in a filing cabinet at the store / FFL until it gets requested for some reason. Getting a CCW license, for states that require it, may involve a short interaction with a sheriff or other LEO, and may put you on a list (a large one with tens of thousands of people, in most states at least). But I’d recommend a person be proficient with a gun before they start carrying it, if possible.
Having friends who are experienced with guns is probably the best. Joining an org is generally a good idea but probably much higher risk of putting you on a list than simply buying a gun. Taking classes and practicing is highly recommended, if possible. But none of that is necessary for just buying a gun. And as shit continues to get worse, I’d rather comrades at least have access to a gun, even if they just lock it in a closet, than never get around to getting one until it’s too late. Obviously train with it now, if possible-- the best advice is to get one and train with it. But you can’t train later if you don’t even have one in the first place.
this is close, but missing the point
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Feds/police will try to get Leftists to purchase firearms in illegal ways. the most common way to do that is purchasing a firearms for someone else. advocating for personal firearm ownership is not something the feds do (on the clock.)
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If you intend to do illegal shit, you should probably have AN IRL CREW THAT YOU TRUST WITH YOUR LIFE who knows where you are and what you’re doing, especially if those things are dangerous or could get you Disappeared for some amount of time.
I largely believe going on the internet and telling people to buy guns is worthless virtue signalling, but I don’t think it’s ultimately harmful.
This–
Feds/police will try to get Leftists to purchase firearms in illegal ways
–is the primary reason for this,
going on the internet and telling people to buy guns
not just to tell people to buy guns, but so that we can have discussion in a mostly-anonymous and like-minded environment and help people educate themselves. I’m glad you brought it up though because it’s a very important point and worth emphasizing.
We’ve been pretty inactive as mods on /c/guns due to life circumstances, and unfortunately the informational stickies were all hidden due to the server issues. But we’re hoping to become a jumping-off point for comrades who would like to get armed so they can do so safely and legally. I feel discussing entrapment and other pitfalls here is more useful than it would be on chud gun forums full of fudd lore and people who aren’t actually at risk of hostile state actors.
We’re talking about America. You can buy a gun from another person face to face with no paperwork what so ever.
Or you can just go to a gun shop and buy an AR. It’s not going to put you on any lists you’re not already on.
And everyone who buys a gun through and FFL has to go through a background check in the US. Again, it’s not a big deal. If you’re posting here you’re already on a list as a dirty commie.
To the best of my knowledge local police do not have any kind of database of firearms owners and they do not flag your car as belonging to a gun owner. I’ve spent years on various gun subreddits with some extremely paranoid people and I’ve never heard of anything like this happening.
Good pushback. I am a coastal elite so I think it is more strict here but idk really. My aim was to urge caution and suspicion but those can be overcome by knowledge.
If you’re posting here you’re already on a list as a dirty commie.
The ‘dirty commie poster’ list is a much longer and very different list to the ‘armed dirty commie’ list.
To the best of my knowledge local police do not have any kind of database of firearms owners and they do not flag your car as belonging to a gun owner. I’ve spent years on various gun subreddits with some extremely paranoid people and I’ve never heard of anything like this happening.
My reason for saything this was a conversation I had recently with 3 gun owners, 1 an ex-con the other 2 only minor traffic crimes in their past. They were saying that whenever they get pulled over, which happens a lot, by local or state police, and they run the plates, it pops up that they may have a gun in the car and the police always make a big deal of it. They didn’t view this as conspiracy thinking (which they had plenty of) but basic local law. They may have been bullshitting.
Good info, thanks. I suspect this may be only true for states that keep databases of gun owners, like California, but I don’t know for certain. I don’t know what mechanism local police in other states would use to see if someone is a gun owner or not (other than CCW licenses, if you have one in that specific state), unless there’s been recent developments.
This is the kind of discussion I’m hoping for so we can get more diverse experiences and opinions. It’s difficult for me to cross-apply my experiences living in a red state and give relevant advice for people in blue states.
