Ngl, Hasan seems to be teetering on the edge of what some people might call socialism.

77 points

I think there’s something in Lenin’s way of speaking that bears a resemblance to Trump’s “many people are saying”.

In almost every notable speech Lenin always says things like “the eyes of the people are being opened”. He is always talking about how a lot of people are coming over to his side, how a lot of people are confirming socialist ideas, he is always talking about the collective affirmation.

I think this is very important for socialists to learn and weave into everything they write and when they speak. I’ve seen how much it matters to people online whether other people have upvoted something or downvoted something. Collective affirmation matters, and it even matters when you’re the one saying that lots of people confirm something. That shit works. It’s powerful and it should be weaved into everything.

permalink
report
reply
52 points

No no no

What we must continue to do is frantically yell at people for imagined slights and words not being perfectly spoken. It’s clearly a winning strategy

permalink
report
parent
reply
21 points

I mean, that works too sometimes. I think you should work in a few lines about how people are waking up, our numbers are growing, how people’s eyes are opening, how minds are turning to us while you do it though.

All this shit produces the feeling of collective affirmation, and that feeling becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as the snowball starts to roll. People get pulled towards things that they feel like lots of other people are also being pulled to. It produces a kind of movement magnetism.

permalink
report
parent
reply
26 points

Talking down to people wins no one over.

The lefts problem is what the right is very good at. Getting past the fact that people are not perfect. That they need molding. And that you got to just let some things slide to a point. And welcome them in.

Once they are ingrained is when you start to actually form and solidify the boundaries.

permalink
report
parent
reply
19 points

This was something I started doing without even thinking about it, I just started being more and more open about politics whenever it was relevant and as I learned how to communicate my ideas and practiced and gained confidence I noticed people agreeing with me more and more, and that led me to be able to confidently assert that there is this sort of sea change occurring which in turn makes the arguments themselves more persuasive.

Also learning how to paraphrase really good hard hitting bits of theory in a way that the average person can grasp the core of the message with more modern phrasing and terminology is a big plus.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Certainly pointing out people in the present who are winning in the workplace or at whatever electoral level, etc, and why they are worth celebrating is important and using them to rally a winning spirit behind the ideas that back unionizing activities etc is important to be made lucid and relevant and a slice of good ol socialist pie to give people an appetite for it. Because the risk of being associated with real leftism is not inconsiderate

permalink
report
parent
reply

“Folks, the bourgeois, they’re no good everyone is saying it. All these workers, very handsome workers come up to me and say, Comrade Trump there is a specter haunting Europe, and you know what, they’re right. These bourgeois are very nasty people very very rude and very unfair to the workers. They are stealing our surplus value and no one is doing anything about it. The proletariat comes up to me everyday and says, Comrade Trump will you lead the revolution? And I gotta turn to them and say, Look the instruments of capitalism will be used to bring about its destruction believe me you gotta trust me on this one. The means of production, obama never wanted to seize them. Well guess what? I’m seizing them. Landlords? They’re done for folks. Everyone told me they said, Comrade Trump you won’t be the vanguard of the revolution and they would laugh, the media laughed the democrats laughed, guess whose laughing now?”

~ Lenin, State and Revolution

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

Having read some of Castro’s interviews recently, I’ve got to say a lot of it reads like this

permalink
report
parent
reply

So you’re saying…Lenin was redpilled?

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

One might even say he was “based”

permalink
report
parent
reply

:lenin-da:

permalink
report
parent
reply

People definitely want to unironically :so-true: stuff - that what makes the right’s framing of stuff as “common sense” so insidious.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Jedi and Sith both use the force

:think-about-it:

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

That “the eyes of the people are being opened” style of universalizing rhetoric is really common. Newspaper editorials love to do it with phrases like “amidst growing concerns about” and “many are questioning.” Also that weirdo from Spirit Science uses it a lot.

Anyway, you’re right; rhetoric is neat and worth studying.

permalink
report
parent
reply

A lot of people are saying this rhetoric is powerful.

permalink
report
parent
reply

more and more people are saying this

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

collective affirmation

:yes-hahaha-yes-r: :rocz-yes: :mlk-yes: :yes: :sicko-yes: :yes-sicko: :yes-chad: :yes-comm: :chomsky-yes-honey: :yes-hahaha-yes-l:

permalink
report
parent
reply
50 points

Someone in replies suggested he go on the Deprogram :CommiePOGGERS:

Collabs like that need to start happening, fr

permalink
report
reply

Hasan, go on :trueanon:

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Brace has been on Hasan’s stream. And he was on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjO-BG3ozV0

permalink
report
parent
reply

Someone in chat once mentioned it too and he said he’d be down.

permalink
report
parent
reply
26 points

Hell yeah. Now we just need to annoy the deprogram boys until they invite him on

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply

I cannot understand how someone can read Lenin or hear Lenin speak and not just feel the massive amounts of passion and love he has for humanity and the hope he has for a better future

permalink
report
reply

when I first started learning about Marxism I would feel this immense amount of love and joy and awe for people, the Earth, and our universe just by walking around outside in the morning. I had never felt anything like that before

permalink
report
parent
reply
21 points

Yeah as much as I talk about Marxism and capitalism as a necronomicon-esque text that describes this vast cosmic horror, dwelling in these sorts of communities for the past several years has given me a great amount of hope and love for people as well as getting me over some reactionary hangups regarding masculinity, gender, etc.

permalink
report
parent
reply

If you want to enhance that love for existence I’d recommend also reading Spinoza. His concept of Nature and the universe is incredibly beautiful. There’s a Rev. Left Radio series on him too

permalink
report
parent
reply

Not a massive amount of love for anarchists unfortunately.

permalink
report
parent
reply
13 points

His older brother was an anarchist who attempted to bomb the czar and failed. He was hanged for his attempt. I think it is impossible to separate this from Lenin’s later attitude towards anarchism.

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply

neither did the rest of the heads of marxism leninism :shrug-outta-hecks:

permalink
report
parent
reply

Yes, that’s the problem.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply

Lenin was the coolest person to ever live

permalink
report
reply

Counterpoint: Stalin

permalink
report
parent
reply
49 points

Counter-counterpoint: even Stalin would say Lenin

permalink
report
parent
reply

Stalin would be too humble to say otherwise

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

What Would Molotov Say? :molotov:

permalink
report
parent
reply

:lenin-pogger:

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

I am the only one who thinks that hero worship (of anyone, under any circumstances) is kinda cringe?

permalink
report
parent
reply

its just facts though

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

:lenin-cat: :party-cat:

permalink
report
parent
reply

Hasan’s the only left-wing American internet personality I can stomach. His upbringing in Turkey probably helps to give him a more nuanced worldview than the dumbfucks that shit on him like Vaush and Roblox face.

permalink
report
reply

If anti-imperialism is a core part of your beliefs that will carry you a long long way

permalink
report
parent
reply

Hakim

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply

Wow sorry I misread it and didn’t see the American part. I’m dumb lol

permalink
report
parent
reply

I thought Hakim was Iraqi and still living there? Richard Medhurst is another one. I think he lives in the UK but his experience from having lived in Syria really shapes his worldview

permalink
report
parent
reply