The 45+ crowd will vote for him because they support isn’treal and are afraid of Drumpf but I think we’re going to see a massive drop out of young voters. Probably too with the people who already don’t vote to begin with, namely service workers who are fucked over either way with D’s and R’s.
And here I thought Biden was going to win in November, time to eat crow.
You bet your ass I’m voting for Biden over Trump. Elections have consequences. I don’t like Biden as a candidate. But with how elections currently work in the US, it’s either Biden or Trump. And that’s an easy decision.
Edit* you hexbear folks are an interesting lot. You fling around accusations that completely ignore the complexities of geopolitics. It’s insulting to suggest that I support genocide, especially without engagement in an actual discussion. I’ve been around lemmy a while now and every day it’s the same argument from you folks. There can be no discussion because y’all can’t act like adults and have a good faith discussion. The only answer is to not engage, and that’s a shame.
Trump was already president with control of both houses of Congress and Biden hasn’t overturned any of the policies he enacted. The Supreme Court already has an extreme Conservative majority. There is no doomsday if Trump wins; he is only slightly worse.
Go ahead and vote for Biden if you have to, but at least do your part with getting involved in third party action to help make them viable in the future. I plan on volunteering and voting for the de la Cruz campaign.
Which president did more genocide? Which president did Roe v Wade die under with no opposition? Which president crushed the rail unions? Which president proposed the more fascist border policy? Which president committed an act of war against Europe and Russia by blowing up the Nord Stream? Which president has spent billions funding nazis?
Biden has Trump beat on: Deportations, war-making, strike-breaking, police funding, arms sales, oil extraction, activist prosecution through RICO, government surveillance, social media banning, student repression, and oh yeah fuckin genocide
But yeah sure it’s an “easy decision” for a middle-class white boy from Bumfuck, USA
45+ are afraid they’ll lose their social security but 45- know they’ll probably never get it anyways.
I think the under 45 participation rate will be so low that Trump will actually get more support than Biden, because at least his base loves him.
Can’t wait for the endless think pieces about how young people are conservative 🙄
Depends how much the election fraud narrative is pushed. If Trump convinces enough supporters that voting is meaningless, then both parties would be dealing with self-inflected low turnout. Granted, if the belief that democracy is dead is a strong enough belief to suppress Trump votes enough for Biden to win, then we risk bigger problems regardless of the outcome of the vote.
Biden forever courting the 5% of Republicans who will maybe vote for him instead of going after younger people who would like to vote Democrat if they weren’t such shitheads. “Nothing will fundamentally change.”
The only wildcard is how some states had big turnout to protect abortion rights, like Ohio. Which will probably still go red cause it’s a shithole state but maybe other states will be blue.
I’m very curious about the impact of abortion since it’s clearly hugely significant to people and yet the Democratic party has shown and continues to show they have no interest in acting on it on a federal level.
I’m not even sure they have interest acting on a state level since everything I’ve seen has been ballot initiatives.
The only states where the presidential vote matters are “battleground” states.
Only states that have abortion on the ballot are where abortion will be a significant political issue.
As of now, there’s only 1 state that ticks both of those boxes (Arizona). So in terms of the presidential election, it’s only really relevant there. And tbh, the way the polling seems now, it looks like Arizona will make abortion legal but vote for Trump.
Yet another opportunity to immediatly lock this election up and instead they send out Joe to stammer through a statement about how he doesn’t personally support it and “doesn’t believe in the whole my body my choice thing”
I know. It’s ridiculous that most people still consider the Democratic party to be pro choice in any sort of meaningful sense.
“we offered nothing different or substantial and they seem to not like us! wtf!”
It’s literally worse than that.
“We actively explicitly told them we don’t care about their concerns and we will not compromise with them at all, and also if they don’t support us because of that it’s because they’re selfish and dumb.” That’s democrats literal message to young people.
“Young people today want to complain about how bad they have it. Give me a break. No I’m serious, I have no sympathy.”
Gee I wonder why the person who said that at a campaign event might have a hard time with youth support.
And if you bring this up liberals just link you a snopes article that says it’s false that he said it and the first line of the article is “ok he did literally say those words in that order and it isn’t out of context but he didn’t mean it like that.”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-no-empathy/
You weren’t lying.
Wouldn’t have gone for the “you have so much social progress compared to my day” argument if I was
A. Born into wealth as a white man, and
B. Was a segregationist at the time.
But go off I guess
Im in this demographic.
Im not voting.
Cmon, just like republicans count ‘Jesus’ as a repub vote, ‘Stalin’ is also counted as democrat
I’ll show up to vote on local candidates and referendums but I’m writing in “Free Palestine” for president and I suggest anyone else going to the polls do the same.
You may be aware of this already but just to be clear this will show up as a spoiled ballot. Write-ins have to be registered in order to count and show up in results. Spoiling a ballot is a legitimate form of electoral protest but if you want to send a more specific message you might consider researching what communist parties you can support
Go with “From the river to the sea” instead, because that’s now apparently the worst sentiment possible
