Lately I’ve seen a number of comments and posts about damage to the immune system caused by Covid-19. Some of these comments run contrary to my understanding of the current scientific consensus. That’s not exactly surprising to me though. The CDC isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to Covid information. They were cribbing infection numbers from a volunteer organization for over a year. Major news media aren’t reliable either. There were endless articles about Omicron being “weaker”. That assertion is pure conjecture and a likely misinterpretation of the data. In both cases, official sources and the media were biased and sought to minimize concern over pandemic. That leaves us to either wade through all the scientific data and analyze ourselves or try to find media sources that don’t appear to be minimizing the threat Covid still poses. As someone who has the luxury of sifting through the evidence for a living, I thought I would share what I know with you all and try to demystify the biology of Covid.

Note, I am a scientist who has been involved with a number of research projects involving immunology and covid. I am not an immunologist nor am I an epidemiologist and I am not here to minimize the effects of covid. As long as it exists, it will continue to be a serious health concern. I am also of the position that stronger measures and a coordinated worldwide response in line with China’s zero covid policy could have and still can work. Not to digress, but I want to make it clear that I take this thing seriously.

To start, I want to describe what makes covid unique. It’s a coronavirus that’s true, but we deal with many coronaviruses that elicit little more than a common cold. The reason why I believe covid-19 is so virulent and deadly is the receptor the virus chooses to bind to known as ACE2. This receptor is commonly found in two places, the airway and the endothelium. It’s found elsewhere but I think these tissues are the most consequential. For context, the endothelium is a cell layer that makes up the inner lining of the cardiovascular system. The infection of the airway allows the virus to spread while infection of the endothelial layer is likely what made it so deadly.

Infection of the endothelium is dangerous for a couple of reasons. One, when you get enough of the virus the endothelial cells will start to die using a process known as apoptosis. Cells do this on purpose and it’s a necessary part of clearing away cells infected with pretty much any virus. It becomes a problem when you start to get a significant amount of cell death. This can induce blood clot formation which is likely a reason why ICU deaths were so high early in the pandemic. As doctors figured this out we’ve ended up with fewer deaths but that leaves us with another problem, long covid.

Now to be clear, long covid is not one thing. It’s characterized by various symptoms caused by infection but that last well beyond 3 months. In effect, the virus should be long gone by then but symptoms persist. The reason why this happens isn’t entirely clear but we have some clues. One hypothesis that I find compelling is that covid can cause damage to a person’s vasculature by infecting that endothelial layer I mentioned earlier. If someone is prone to inflammation they may end up with fibrosis and thus reduced vascular function. That could explain a whole host of symptoms simply because all organs rely on a healthy vasculature. There is also the hypothesis that the virus may remain long term in immune privileged tissues. This would explain why people suffering long covid may test negative when they are in fact still fighting the disease. Lastly, there is also a hypothesis that suggests microclots may harbor some inflammatory compounds from early in the infection. As they break up these get released and cause symptoms. Personally, I’m less swayed by this hypothesis. Either way, a lot of these hypotheses need further investigation before we can understand what’s causing long covid and what risks there actually are.

Now onto the immune response, my favorite part. To start, it’s important to know that the vast majority of studies out there do not suggest that covid-19 is immunologically unique. It is not a retrovirus and can not avoid the immune system as herpes and HIV do. It also does not target a receptor specific to immune cells. HIV does this by targeting the CD4 receptor which is specific to a subtype of T cells. ACE2 on the other hand is not expressed very highly in any immune cells which means they aren’t particularly susceptible to infection by the Covid-19 virus.

Now at this point, I’m sure some of you are going “But wait, I’ve read that covid causes death to T cells in a way that’s similar to HIV?” That’s actually true, but we need to get into some of the specifics to understand what that means for most people.

When a person first gets infected with covid, their immune system does not know how to recognize the virus. Instead your body relies on your innate immune system to signal the alarm due to all the havoc an infection is causing. This is where T cells come in. Now T cells are kind of amazing little machines. They basically evolve and self-select on the fly to produce a protein that can recognize unique parts of viruses or bacteria. It’s mind bending and maybe one of my favorite parts of biology.

Once a T cell determines that it has recognized an infection it will rapidly proliferate at an exponential rate. The rate at which they divide is only hampered usually by two conditions. In the first case, the virus is defeated at which point these T cells stop dividing and begin to die off. A few will go on to become memory T cells in case of reinfection. In the second possible case, there is too much virus and the resulting inflammatory signaling causes T cells to prematurely become ineffective or die through the process of programmed cell death aka apoptosis. This is called immune exhaustion and it sometimes happens during the immune response to cancer and HIV. It can also happen during severe covid infections. However, it’s important to note that this is likely not a concern in the majority of cases.

This ultimately means that most people who contract covid are not likely to be immunocompromised by the infection. In most cases, people’s immune systems can and will recover. As such, any cell death induced by the virus does not lead to what some have described as cumulative damage. For severe patients, of which there are many, this may be a concern at least in the short term. Even so, I believe they are also likely to recover given enough time. That said, people are still dying and long covid is a concern. It’s silly not to demand a systemic response.

TLDR:

The CDC and media are biased and minimize Covid. Covid is bad and a serious global response is still a good idea. Covid targets airways and vascular in particular. The effects on the latter may explain Covid’s deadliness and at least some long covid symptoms. The risk of long covid is somewhat ambiguous and needs further study. The Covid virus is not immunologically unique like HIV. Immune cells, including T cells, are not very susceptible to the virus. T cells learn to recognize the virus, expand rapidly, and then die when infection is cleared. In severe cases, T cells may also die as a response to excess inflammation. This may potentially lead to immune impairment. However, the majority of cases are not this severe. Even so, Covid is still serious.

We have studies that show that even mild and moderate cases cause immune system dysfunction in a lot of cases. We know that RSV, Covid, and the Flu are filling up hospitals right now.

Do you really expect us to believe that the hospitals are being filled up right now for reasons other than Covid damaging immune systems? Do you have any evidence that there is another factor? If you can point to RSV and Flu both mutating to seriously evade immunity in the same year substantially more than they do in other years that would be fine, but I’d like to see it please.

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Thank you for the effort post. I have nothing useful to add but I appreciate it.

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I had a whole post here but it turned out to be wrong in light of findings so I’m just switching this to aggregating findings about reinfection severity. There are studies that find that reinfection is generally less severe, and there are studies that find that reinfection is generally more severe.

We retrospectively included patients with SARS-CoV-2 positive RT-PCR at least 90 days after clinical recovery from a COVID-19 episode and with at least one negative RT-PCR after the first infection. Whole genome sequencing and variant-specific RT-PCR were performed and clinical symptoms and severity of infection were retrospectively documented from medical files. A total of 209 COVID-19 reinfected patients were identified, accounting for 0.4% of positive cases diagnosed from 19 March 2020 to 24 August 2021. Serology was performed in 64 patients, of whom 39 (60.1%) had antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 when sampled at the early stage of their second infection. Only seven patients (3.4%) were infected twice with the same variant. We observed no differences in clinical presentation, hospitalization rate, and transfer to ICU when comparing the two episodes of infections. Our results suggest that the severity of the second episode of COVID-19 is in the same range as that of the first infection, including patients with antibodies. (study)

Until January 31, 2022, 13,792 reinfections were recorded among 251,104 COVID-19 primary infections (5.49%). Most reinfections (86.77%, 11,967/13,792) were recorded in January 2022. Reinfections were mostly mild (99.17%, 13,678/13,792). Hospitalizations were uncommon [1.08% (149/13,792) vs. 3.66% (505/13,792) in primary infection] and COVID-19 deaths were very rare (20/13,792, case fatality rate 0.15%). The overall incidence rate of reinfections was 5.99 (95% CI 5.89–6.09) per 1000 person-months. The reinfection risk was estimated as 0.76% at six months, 1.36% at nine months, 4.96% at 12 months, 16.68% at 15 months, and 18.86% at 18 months. Unvaccinated (OR=1.23; 95%CI=1.14–1.33), incompletely (OR=1.33; 95%CI=1.08–1.64) or completely vaccinated (OR=1.50; 95%CI=1.37–1.63), were modestly more likely to be reinfected compared with recipients of a third (booster) vaccine dose. (study)

First infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is associated with increased risk of acute and postacute death and sequelae in various organ systems. Whether reinfection adds to risks incurred after first infection is unclear. Here we used the US Department of Veterans Affairs’ national healthcare database to build a cohort of individuals with one SARS-CoV-2 infection (n = 443,588), reinfection (two or more infections, n = 40,947) and a noninfected control (n = 5,334,729). We used inverse probability-weighted survival models to estimate risks and 6-month burdens of death, hospitalization and incident sequelae. Compared to no reinfection, reinfection contributed additional risks of death (hazard ratio (HR) = 2.17, 95% confidence intervals (CI) 1.93–2.45), hospitalization (HR = 3.32, 95% CI 3.13–3.51) and sequelae including pulmonary, cardiovascular, hematological, diabetes, gastrointestinal, kidney, mental health, musculoskeletal and neurological disorders. The risks were evident regardless of vaccination status. The risks were most pronounced in the acute phase but persisted in the postacute phase at 6 months. Compared to noninfected controls, cumulative risks and burdens of repeat infection increased according to the number of infections. Limitations included a cohort of mostly white males. The evidence shows that reinfection further increases risks of death, hospitalization and sequelae in multiple organ systems in the acute and postacute phase. Reducing overall burden of death and disease due to SARS-CoV-2 will require strategies for reinfection prevention. (study)

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Thank you for the COVID lore :order-of-lenin:

What can one do to minimize and mitigate damage to the vascular system? Pray? Get more fit?

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Avoid getting infected in the first place by wearing an N95 and avoiding crowded and poorly ventilated indoor spaces.

Get vaxxed.

And yeah just generally being healthy will make your immune system and body better at preparing for and fighting infections. Eat well, take vitamins (especially in the winter, maybe focusing a bit more on vitamin D), exercise, get good sleep.

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I originally wrote up a whole rant but I’ll keep it simple.

  1. The position you have presented isn’t consensus at all. The exact opposite trend is happening: a recognition that immune effects are surprisingly common and long-lived. This is highly relevant to the ongoing bumper crop of respiratory virus infections this winter.

  2. I can’t see any positive outcomes from this “demystification”. We’re in the second highest peak of the pandemic, hospitals are getting overwhelmed, new variants are escaping immunity and vaccines, and liberal normalization of saying, “fuck it” is at an all-time high. At the same time, there’s very little research suggesting we have the knowledge to take more risks, and plenty showing scary shit. I want my comrades to know what’s going on and what’s uncertain so that when they do make choices, they’re informed.

I also have credentials btw.

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