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I’m an old, with memories as far back the late 80s. I also majored classical history. And let me tell you, we are collapsing way faster than the western Roman empire did; in the last 40 years we’ve had at least 150 Roman years’ worth of decline. A lot of people reading this will absolutely live to see a time when the USA only exists on paper, if that. tbh there’s an argument to be made that we’re pretty much there already in most of the ways that count.

as to whether it’s a good thing: nothing is a good thing

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A lot of people reading this will absolutely live to see a time when the USA only exists on paper

Inshallah

Death to America

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we are collapsing way faster than the western Roman empire did; in the last 40 years we’ve had at least 150 Roman years’ worth of decline.

well the romans were smarter than our leaders

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Had about an equal amount of lead poisoning

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There’s a lot of ruin in a country.

America can be on fire and burning for decades before decline becomes obvious. Don’t hold your breath. Decline is happening but it’s going to be a long time.

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Things will get bad as the country declines, but things need to get bad for any hope of US imperialism to decline as well. Quality of life in the US is propped up by the exploitation, suffering, and death of people across the world. It’s abstracted in such a way that so much of the population doesn’t think of, or even care, what the cost of sustaining our current lifestyle is. I think material conditions need to be hit hard for any kind of solidarity to start building, but more importantly to give any kind of relief the those outside the imperial core.

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If Fukuyama’s end of history is real, then the western world is already in decline since the 90s.

There would probably not a collapse (the real copium is people who think that there is an actual end of world societal collapse), most likely is what will happen is progressively, there is a loss of relevancy and one day you’ll see a news article on how the US has become an ‘‘emergent market economy’’ and then life continue because people within are too tired to care of those who care will have no power to think of a valid solution outside of their neoliberal think box

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