Ban these fucking things or at least ban anyone under 25 from using them
These little assholes zoom around at light speed colliding into grandmas
Not sure what it is about electric scooters but people on them are way more reckless and less mindful than cyclists
half this thread sounds carbrained as fuck. folks if you arrive at the same position as the libs (excluding the tech bros on this one) maybe reconsider how you got there. These things aren’t insanely dangerous or a menace to society fundamentally, it’s just we’ve arrived at the intersection of “we can under no circumstances regulate any company in any capacity whatsoever” and “everything not a car gets to duke it out in the gutter” and turns out that shit don’t work
None of the problems here are inherent to e-scooters, though, that’s my thing. The current model is bad, absolutely and I agree, but the fact that they get tossed and replaced is a function of how they’re managed, it’s not like the technology in there is like inherently unstable. It’s a scooter and an e-motor, that’s pretty tried and true on all fronts.
I fucking detest the fact that takeout and such is often given in plastic single use containers when I’d be very happy to bring them some tupperware to put my slop in but that means I want a better take out world, not banning that shit.
And I fucking hate E-Scooters but that’s me being a raging RETVRN guy on this issue specifically, just use a bicycle like a normal person (excluding people with mobility issues)
I guess I should mention I live in a place with pretty great public transit and biking infrastructure. I also recognise the obvious benefits electric scooters and other EVs have for people with disabilities or mobility issues.
They can just be a menace in the hands of annoying, mostly young dipshits with no thought for other people around them
They can just be a menace in the hands of annoying, mostly young dipshits with no thought for other people around them
at which point the problem is not the scooters, is it? We just gotta ban rock music dnd video games (YMMV on this site, admittedly) e scooters so the youth stop misbehaving doesn’t sound like a great concept.
half this thread sounds carbrained as fuck.
Also very “these dang kids with their damn skateboards” old man yelling at the cloud vibe.
I mean if you wanna regulate them or fix them somehow for the better then good but lots of “ban it” types in here. Reminds me of the people who were unironically happy about the US gov wanting to ban TikTok just cuz they were personally out of touch.
The genie is out of the bottle. The scooteres are here and I don’t see them going anywhere, especially since younger people like them. Better to deal with it in a healthy, constructive way than to be boomer-brained about it.
Agree. I was pretty annoyed when dozens of these things were in the middle of the sidewalk, and broken ones were lying in ditches and stuff, but this was incidental business insanity which has mostly passed now around here. Fundamentally (and in practice here where I am today), they’re not actually more in the way of pedestrians than bikes. They legislated these things around here to be quasi-bikes. The only actual annoying thing about them sharing space with bikes is that they have high off-the-line acceleration but lowish top-speed, which means they tend to not flow great with bike traffic, but it’s not that big of a problem really.
Cities and road design/rules/regulations definitely need to be completely reconstructed. It’s awful how everything gets lumped to either being a car equivalent or a bike equivalent with almost no accommodations for bikes, and then how fucking awful it is to have to interact with the government for license testing, etc. on top of it.
Edit: So you have reasons to say scooters and equivalents show be treated more seriously. But to incentivize people using them others want them less government regulated than cars to get away from auto-centrism. Just shitty situation all around.
You’re missing a whole angle here were companies are unilaterally, often illegally, enclosing one of the tiny amount of public space that still exists. They just air-dropped these things on public sidewalks in cities all over the world where they act as obstructions to basically anyone who needs any kind of mobility aid of any kind. And just claiming the use of public space for a private enterprise is bad all on it’s own.
Do your part. Drag scooters down to the scrapper and tell them they were abandoned on your property.
You’re missing a whole angle here were companies are unilaterally, often illegally, enclosing one of the tiny amount of public space that still exists
Yes, and they have been doing this for decades with all kinds of things from advertising (like sandwich-boards), legally and illegaly parked business vehicles and a lot of other stuff.
If suddenly you find this detestable but somehow only in the context of e-scooters it doesn’t exactly come across as a genuine concern.
they’re illegal here
too fast to go on pedestrian footpaths, don’t comply with road safety laws so can’t be driven on the road
they also don’t comply with the legal definition of a bike, so not allowed on bike paths
of course this is england, so only the road thing is actually enforced
Technically, an electric scooter is a motorised two-wheel vehicle or Personal Light Electric Vehicle (PLEV). They differ from electric bikes not just because they don’t have pedals but because they are classed as motor vehicles under the road traffic laws.
Not only do you see regular electric scooters here, there’s also huge expensive ones that you sit down on that have big fat tires. They seem to be a popular expensive toy among a certain type of guy
Not to mention all the other wacky types like the amazingly unsafe looking unicycle wheels you stand on
Pretty much car-brain, but for e-scooters. Go on the e-scooter subreddit and its mostly people wanting bigger faster scooters.
I think e-scooters could be a good thing (Urbanist Agenda, NotJustBike’s podcast, had a good episode on this), but governments have been way too slow to respond to their rise in popularity and what response they’ve been able to muster up has been paltry at best.
there’s also huge expensive ones that you sit down on that have big fat tires
at that point, why not just get a moped
cheaper, faster, can go further etc.
huge expensive ones that you sit down on that have big fat tires
I’m pretty sure those are just motorcycles 🏍️ with a step-through frame.
if you hate scooters wait until you hear about this thing called a “car”
The speed limiting of e-bikes and scooters always seemed weird to me, when cars can go 200 km/h.
Yeah but cars kill way more pedestrians every year than bikes or scooters ever will
What I’m saying is that cars need to be speed limited too. Every day, as a pedestrian, I have to contend with aggressive or just plain distracted drivers on my commute. If a car crashes into me, I’ll fucking die, but if a scooter crashes into me (this has never happened, ever) we’re on even ground.
Cars pose way more of a threat to pedestrian safety than bikes or scooters ever will. The focus on speed limiting motorized micromobility devices misses the elephant in the room that is cars.
