https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/r/TheDeprogram/comments/11s7x4u/badempanada_uyhgers_video/
Found in the Deprogram sub’s discussion ofnit which is quite good. Radio War Nerd also does this beating around the bush with Zenz’s beliefs. To say nothing of Deprogram & RWN Russia takes,
I like this thread, I’ve seen it before but I don’t really understand the disdain tbh, the thread is making fun of him for trying to find a nuanced position? that’s what we all do, you can say it’s bad analysis but calling him a radlib seems weird. He has plenty of other things to criticize about him as far as his online behavior goes
How is it nuanced? He doesn’t even explore terrorism in the region. He skirts around the topic he wants to get engagement off as a third rail issue.
Saying states have never treated minorities right is very reductive. I’m doubtful that’s someone who’s ever taken a nuanced look at the history of, say the USSR.
Nuanced position between the Victims of Communism Foundation & strawman who supports everything the govt could hypothetically do seems like a cynical deliberate choice to me
I’m not saying it was a great take, I’m disagreeing with the framing of the beginning of the thread. I agree with the rest of the thread, not sure where that got mixed up. I think it’s possible to try and be nuanced and miss really badly, I know I’ve had my fair share of bad takes
I think we should all be way more judgmental about how people try to make us spend an hour after work.
Saying “actually both sides” or “the truth is somewhere in the middle” doesn’t automatically mean there’s nuance
Between “it’s genocide” and “nothing morally objectionable is happening” the truth is somewhere in the middle, I understand China’s policy in Xinjiang but I would prefer it were different
It’s a program that impacts millions of people, there is going to be variance no matter what, and there would be “very concerned” people who just want “nuance” no matter what, because that variance that exists in reality will always produce at least some poor outcomes to handwring about and say you “prefer it were different”, since nothing goes wrong in the ideal version they imagine in their head.
The bottom line is that China’s program is worth supporting both for the people of Xinjiang who were being terrorized and for the stability of China as a whole, and the handwringing is functionally only thinly distinguished from concern trolling when one merely speaks in vagueries about “morally objectionable things happening”.
If you have specific objections, name them. Otherwise, just move on instead of engaging in that absurd song and dance against imaginary dogmatists.
I just wanna say that he appeared in the second season of Love is Blind Brasil
What is it with new accounts and posting about BadEmpanada? This is like the third BE post from a new account I’ve seen since the update. I don’t give a fuck about ‘defending streamerman’ or streamer drama, but it’s always the new accounts bringing up BE and he was rarely posted to this site beforehand
Oh there’s a guy in the chapo discord vc who loves him so I replied to BE about this and he was annoying to me, I’m doing reply guy shit. Maybe don’t spread disinformation? It’s annoying the few mildly palatable youtubers still suck and are intractable and vague and annoying.
They seem like they know which side their bread is buttered on.
You clearly do get it. After all you’re being a hall monitor scolding me for posting about something you allegedly don’t care about. Buzz off, nosy little They.
Parasocial? I am speaking directly to badempanada and this guy. I am engaging with posts that were made online in public as an announcement and finding criticism of them and replying to threads here with other people. I am not monitoring other people’s conversations and relationships.
I’m sure Empanada would like me to watch his videos about his parasocial feuds, rather than post a good takedown of him repurposing State Dept talking points about China to make Youtube videos for “leftists”.
What makes you think this kind of parasocial observation is valuable or interesting anyways? “Oh didn’t you notice other people posted about it recently?” Uh no apart from again the other thread I posted the best response so far to? Because you’re parasocial for the posts not me. You are the owned lib.
You post for likes. I post what the fuck I LIKE.
Some stuff on Xinjiang and China’s treatment of Uyghurs, and also an unrelated link debunking Social credit score stuff which I’m leaving in my copy-paste because why not:
World Bank report on Xinjiang from 2019: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
UN report on Xinjiang from the end of 2022: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf
Debate with Adrien Zenz vs. a French entrepeneur living in China, debunks many myths “Is the Chinese System Better than the American System?”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eGa6i2DY3A
2018 article debunking “Social Credit Score” hysterics: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/
