This is an appreciation thread for the baby leftist who is still propagandizing.

Already some great answers on this post, so I thought I’d just add this thread.

People start businesses for independence and usually to do the job they want. And owning the means does not mean people don’t get a say in their jobs/businesses. In any case, selfish control freaks will have a very hard time under socialism indeed. Also you should ask them if they totally own the business where they work. If not, then ask them why do they go to work everyday. Ask them why total ownership isn’t a condition of their desire or necessity to do labor.

READ MARX…its literally ch 2 lol https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few.

In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.

Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

Or do you mean the modern bourgeois private property?

But does wage-labour create any property for the labourer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e., that kind of property which exploits wage-labour, and which cannot increase except upon condition of begetting a new supply of wage-labour for fresh exploitation. Property, in its present form, is based on the antagonism of capital and wage labour. Let us examine both sides of this antagonism.

Because bank loans and venture capital don’t limit the level of ownership and control you have over your own business. And groups of people start their own businesses all the time. Partnerships exist. Co-ops exist. The person you were arguing with is a fucking moron.

Bro read Marx BEFORE you get into the argument.