2 points

One side simply wants you to be well. The other side wants you to die. We are not the same.

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Sure is easy to win an argument when you’re arguing with a strawman of your own making. Let me try!

9: Society can only be maintained so long as individuals contribute at least as much as they get.

6: Gibs munny

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Reality has a leftist bias

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Actually, the painter wrote a 6. They were commissioned to write a 6.

Fuck your perspective, people should consider the original intent and research rather than just argue about it. Calling it “free speech” doesnt make it right or moral.

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Replace “original intent” with “context” and I agree 100% with you.

I think that this is important to point out because we don’t really have access to each other’s “intention” (whatever this means); at most what they say and do, and specially for politics there’s often a big mismatch between the alleged intentions of a policy vs. what the policy achieves.

Or, playing along the pic: if that random scribble is between a “5” and a “7”, then it means six, no matter if the author claims “actually it’s a nine”.

(NB: I’m discussing this on general grounds, based on the image. I’m not from USA nor discussing its healthcare.)

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I’ll take what’s the definition of strawman for 500 Alex.

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So why are you opposed to the universal healthcare?

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I’m actually not really. Here’s at least a logical arguments one could make.

Healthcare is a scarce resource like all things. Making it universal doesn’t exempt it from that fact. Removing it from a competitive market will likely make it more expensive and prevent innovations which will keep it affordable. Competitive markets drive efficiency.

Government provided healthcare rations service availability based on criteria they set. A private system rations availability based on the indivual’s ability to afford the service. If people can afford the service additional capacity can be created with that money. Under a government system extremely long wait times are the norm … With health this may mean late diagnosis of cancer and other suboptimal outcomes.

People are generally more wealthy in the later years of their lives and also in need of more care. Under a public system the costs associated with an aging population will be disproportionately placed on younger people who still pay taxes in their prime earning years. With the number of working people constantly decreasing when compared to the number of retired baby boomers this is unsustainable under a public system.

At the end of the day I think free markets apply poorly to healthcare because you have no ability to comparison shop during a medical emergency. Also US seems to have the worst mix of regulated private healthcare which has kept costs the highest of any country. I do think most social democratic countries are basically screwed over the next 20 years with the demographics being what they are.

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In this thread: People that oppose healthcare already proven all over the world screaming and crying about strawmen.

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“You won’t get to choose your doctor.”

I already can’t.

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