Did anyone here predict this time last year that the US would be in its current state? Because I sure didn’t. Everything seems to be going downhill really fast. The decay seems exponential rather than linear. So with that being said, do you think the collapse could come soon? 2 years? next year? Maybe even before the end of this year? It would honestly be shocking if the US went from business as usual to civil war in the space of a few years.
Everything will be fine until it isn’t. Don’t wait for some signal to tell you it’s time to prepare.
The left has divided itself so much with identity politics and other bullshit like the divides between all the Marxist ideologies
I think decades of the FBI putting lead into any semi-prominent leftist leaders probably did way more to weaken the left than any ideological spat
The past 40 years are the result of the repression of the 70s. The left was making huge gains and the Black Panther Party and the Rainbow Coalition were probably the most significant American revolutionary organisations to come out of the latter half of the 20th century. I dunno, I just don’t get the appeal of such an idealist reading of the weakening of the American left when it was decades of ops like COINTELPRO that put us here and we are picking up the pieces. I say this because I don’t want people to think we did this to ourselves, our movement is righteous and it has been strong in the past and can be made strong again. The capitalist class had to pull out all the stops to put it down. Ideology is important, but that division is more a symptom of our lack of organisation than its direct cause.
What leftist groups are there big enough for the FBI to really put down in the past 40 years?
The FBI infiltrated community relief organizations that cropped up in the aftermath of Katrina. You don’t need to be established, or big, or have a prominent leader to be a target.
a lot of those groups were reactionary and did stupid shit which landed them on the FBI’s radar
You have the order of these backwards. Cointelpro started in the mid 50s, targeting the Communist party and the civil rights movement. From there, they expanded to target any left group that was remotely effective, over the next decades. By the time the Weather Underground even formed, the left of the era was beginning its decline.
And the FBI is continuing to operate against BLM, and I’d be shocked if it didn’t extend to every left group significant enough to have a Wikipedia page.
What about the election though? We already know that Trump and his supporters will refuse to accept a loss. And it is very possible they will lose. When that happens do you not think that they will try to prevent Trump from being removed from office? Especially by using armed militias?
Every time someone posts this question the collapse is delayed another year, current prediction is 3034 and counting
There was a post the other week about how it took three hundred years for Rome to collapse, like 500 for the Byzantines, several hundred for the Ottoman…
Ours may not be a quick collapse, just a general eroding of the luxuries (materially and politically) we once enjoyed until the America we recognized disappears
America has only existed for around 250 years, and it only reached its current terrorial extent around 140ish years ago. America is a very very new country and so because the systems are not as ingrained I dont think it will take ages to collapse.
It’s also easier for a modern economy and infrastructure to collapse compared to, say, the economy and infrastructure of the Roman Empire. Maintaining our current living standards is harder, and a far greater percentage of our population would be able to feed themselves if the supermarket closes.
