My post history pretty clearly shows I’m a China Good, Death to America poster. Despite that, I think we need to recognize that the cultural liberalism of the west has been an enormous boon to the queer community. This is simply an area where China Bad and it’s due to a variety of very old cultural factors. The rest of the world is just more conservative on gender on sexuality. Ironically, of course, these sexually conservative attitudes were largely imported by the west during colonialism. But that’s where things are at now and we need to recognize the reality.
Just to add to this, a lot of people associate with the left is deeply contextual with the underlying historical conditions of a particular group of people and a given country.
In a lot of eastern european formerly communist countries, there are multiple left wing democratic socialist or social democratic parties that differ greatly on issues of social liberalism (both on issues like LGBT rights, but also on issues such as national identity, immigration, law and order, ect). Hell, the history of pro immigration sentiment within the western left stems from the fact that in a lot of countries the majority of people there aren’t indigenous.
Social liberalism is still fundamentally rooted in enlightenement ideals that liberal democracy and modern capitalism arose from, that doesn’t make it bad, but it deeply relates to social changes rooted in individualism rather than broader collective class action that defines the left in other parts of the world.
I’m not disagreeing here, but socialism in China is also deeply rooted in confuscian ideals which are very distinct from enlightenment ones.
You win this round anarkiddies but your CIA ghost writers are gonna slip up soon enough
Good question. I looked into it, they seem actually as of now, about as progressive in LGBT rights as Japan and better than most other Asian countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Asia
Still not enough imho. Sidenote: pretty interesting that israel actually has the best gay rights in the region eh? Even though they’re doing hella imperialist colonizing and war crimes? really makes u thonk
Yeah, that’s exactly it. My thoughts are that the western culture was accidentally forced into doing the right thing with gay rights when they can profit it off it (see: allowing gay marriage when it got popular, and putting on rainbows on all their products but still not paying for gender transitional care), and that equality has been mined to show how free we are. Just like with how MLK is celebrated in the US - streets named after him, it’s a holiday and so on - but then we still imprison black people by the millions and do nothing about police violence. Gay rights in a country seems to mostly just indicate the amount of gay rights and not much else. Obviously they are still very important! I’m gay nonbinary so i care pretty deeply about this lol.
are u… are u defending imperialism on the basis of said imperialist country having more LGBT rights? Also, China has worker protections for LGBT people that are stronger than worker protections in pretty much every capitalist country.
i said both that China needs more LGBT rights and that Israel is doing war crimes, i’m not sure where you got “imperialism good” from my statement
“pretty interesting that israel actually has the best gay rights in the region eh? Even though they’re doing hella imperialist colonizing and war crimes? really makes u thonk” this statement makes it seem like ur defending an imperialist country on the basis of it having more LGBT rights, is that not true? if it isn’t, it’s not clear at all what you meant.
I appreciate what China is doing in regards to building socialism but yeah most everything else seems fucked. I have a hard time defending China.
As a black lgbt person I’m like 99% certain China would be a nightmare. Probably less of a nightmare than the USA tho.
Chinese person here and yup, it mostly comes from consuming American media as far as I can tell but older Chinese people usually do not have positive opinions of black people. I’ve had a hard time convincing elderly Chinese Maoists who lived through WW2 and are as anti-imperialist as any western leftist that black people aren’t lazy(and are the fucking backbone of our horrific economy).
Does the party have an official position on anti-black racism? Does it figure in the propaganda?
Like USSR was all in on decrying US racism. By the time I was eight I had to learn like three poems about oppression of black workers by capitalist America…
Yeah, there’s definitely some culturally conservative views in China about black people and homosexuality. It’s not nearly as terrible as America (I don’t think you’ll get shot or lynched or anything) it’s just more of a pervasive non-understanding. I think that’s something that can be fixed though. China’s pretty good at doing the propagandizing and if the party decided to adopt a platform that’s more accepting of homosexuality, I feel like most people would fall in line pretty quickly. It’s weird that that hasn’t happened though. One legit criticism of China that you don’t actually hear a lot about in American news.
didn’t handle the yellow turban rebellion well
Wait, what lasting effects did an uprising like two thousand years ago had on Chinese culture?
Kenya has had a recent trend of Chinese owned restaurants with “no blacks allowed” policies… in Kenya…
The situation in africa is also complicated regarding racism on the side of chinese workers, especially in the corona crisis, as black workers are seen as dirty and disease spreading and are treated accordingly. (There actually is a source for that, but i’ll have to search for it again, as i didnt write it down)
Edit: looks like the situation for all black people in china is like that: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/05/china-covid-19-discrimination-against-africans
Tbh I think it’s time to just lean into it. It’s vernacular now. Plus there’s a highly upvoted anarkiddies comment above
Because it’s a slippery slope towards Gay Space Communism.
