If only someone would have suggested that ten years ago
Silly Ukraine, you’re a vassal state of the american empire now, you’re on our time.
I didn’t know Ukrainians were Kremlin propaganda bots
Gotta love how it’s still only a third
Like, how stubborn do you have to be?
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again (and I know it’ll just upset the libs, but to heck with the genocide defenders): This is the most VIP invasion in history. Less than 11,000 civilian casualties (and I’m happy and thankful it’s so low), Ukrainians have full access to the internet to rant about how the invasion is cheesing them off and to make NAFO memes, they have the ability to go right up to a Russian soldier and tell him to his face that they hope he dies without getting shot, their bunkers have wifi, they have the luxury of flying their troops out (even though there’s a war on) to do meet and greets with the public, their refugees are welcomed in other countries and people take them seriously when they complain about being put in an ‘ethnic’ neighborhood, if even the slightest war crime takes place it’s going to be in all the news 24/7, the most powerful nations on the planet are supporting the invaded nation, the invader in this scenario has been made an absolute pariah to the extent that cat competitions won’t even allow Russian cats (unless they finally changed this ridiculous rule); honestly every country should hope their nation getting invaded looks this pleasant, whereas in reality it’s going to look like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia (remember the Mogadishu massacre alone, which saw the killing of 5,000 people by US troops in one day?), etc.
You know how today, everybody knows the US invasion of Iraq was a terrible idea, was proposed on questionable evidence, suspiciously seemed like a war for oil, and had very bad execution, and most people who supported the invasion (celebs, people you know IRL, both libs and fascists alike) are embarrassed to have supported it or pretend they never did?
I am very excited about the upcoming years as the wind of history sweeps away the rubbish heap of NATO propaganda smothering the Ukraine-Russia war.
Iraq is an example of a war that disgusts me deeply; regardless of what people think of Saddam, after the sanctions were placed on Iraq demanding that his government cease production of WMDs, he complied; they ceased in 1991 but the sanctions remained. The UN human rights coordinator for Baghdad quit his job to criticized the sanctions as genocide, and his replacement also quit his job saying the same thing, but the sanctions didn’t end. When questioned on whether half a million dead children was worth it, Madeleine Albright said yes, they think the price is worth it. Then, when they were accused of producing WMDs before the invasion, they allowed in UN inspectors to prove they weren’t producing them, and then when our government refused to accept the findings, they allowed in American inspectors who also said there were no WMDs being produced, and then after Iraq proved they would be unable to effectively fight back in the event of an invasion, we attacked them. Iraq cooperated, again, and again, and again, and not content to merely slaughter a million people through sanctions, we decided we wanted a war to further decimate their population.
Iraq cooperated, and their punishment was mass slaughter. I hope every country we are hostile to never make that mistake again; I hope North Korea (for example) paid close attention and never plays ball.
You don’t have to read the subtitle of the news to see that no, Ukraine does not consent and the headline is, at best, biased. This is manipulative and childish.
All that matters is if the people of Donbass assent. Kyiv can kick rocks.
So what you’re complaining about is a biased title… even though the subtitle explicitly makes clear the way in which you think the title could be interpreted as biased? Putting that in the subtitle is the opposite of how you think it’s being manipulative. And even if it weren’t, that’s not “childish.”
If you think that’s manipulative, let me blow your mind by introducing you to NYT, WaPo, BBC, or literally any mainstream western media that straight up lies in the title, doubles down in the subtitle, and maybe if you’re lucky buries a nugget of truth near the bottom of the article in a passing mention surrounded by weasel words.
Also, do you think the (checks notes) Kyiv Post is a Russian propaganda rag, and they’re being manipulative on the part of that dastardly Putin or something? lol
I don’t know how to answer two comments at the same time but this is also for @footfaults@hexbear.net , when I say headline, I mean the one from the post, not the one from the newspaper, which is not manipulative, I’m sorry if I haven’t expressed myself perfectly, English isn’t it’s my language.
Regarding the rest of your comment, I would like to say that yes, the Western press has been truly embarrassing for years, but arguments of the type “and your more” have never led any movement anywhere.
Ok, well I appreciate the comment and I stand corrected. Your meaning in the first comment was a bit ambiguous but on rereading it I can see that it makes sense that you’re referring to the post title, not to the article title. That said, the post title is referencing a meme and might make more sense in that context, but it is also not wrong. This war continues to be waged due to the insistence of NATO (essentially the US) that it continue. The opinions or consent of the Ukrainian people is immaterial to those in control, and Ukrainians will keep being sent to fight and die regardless of whether or not the majority of them actually wants to sue for peace or make territorial concessions (a position that is almost certainly being suppressed).
but arguments of the type “and your more” have never led any movement anywhere.
Also immaterial. What I said had nothing to do with leading a movement, it was merely calling a spade a spade and pointing out hypocrisy.
Right we have to revisit the topic in a few months, at the current rate opinion is changing.
If the decision of people to keep throwing themselves into the meat grinder for the sake of their political and economic rulers were really so “democratic” and freely made, there’d be no reason for Ukraine to do massive conscription, keep military-aged men from leaving the country, and try to get Europe to deport men of Ukrainian citizenship back to Ukraine.
Ask yourself what the actual questions posed were and who they were asked of. I wonder what you’d think of it if I “volunteered” you to go die in a futile charge against Russian artillery. I suspect you’d change your mind a bit about a prospective ceasefire with handcuffs on, guns to your back, and moments away from reaching the front lines. Meanwhile, if I consider your life a small price to pay, I might very well sit pretty and keep approving of the slaughter. Should we really each have an equal say over your fate?
IMO it is kind of significant than the West-friendly press is losing ground in terms of being able to find people who they are able to say are “favorable to the war”, despite their best efforts to manufacture consent. But it’s still not all that believable and legitimate as an overall picture of the war, its consequences, and the working-class attitudes toward it.
