like why would you eat bugs when you’ve got a perfectly good, protein-filled non-bug bean option right there. Fucking weird tbh
What if you were trapped on a desert island with a large, Kafkaesque cockroach, a Caesar salad (with anchovies), and a cow with object permanence? Would you be ok with eating the sentient bug man?
I know it is unsocialist but I called dibs on this struggle session
Honey, no. Bugs? Certainly a better protein option than meat in terms of environmental impact. Like others have said, I would if necessary, and the ethics aren’t as clear cut as eating larger mammals and sea creatures, But more than anything else I can’t imagine a situation other than some lovecraftian nightmare world where eating bugs makes more sense than eating beans. Also faux meats have gotten so good it just seems pointless Rn. Who knows though? Could be a crucial agricultural crop in LGSC!
I’m loving the vegan unity in this thread, who ever said veganism isn’t a coherent ethical philosophy!? Speciesism is the fertile soil in which all bigotry grows! Go vegan comrades!
As a vegan, I still don’t get the speciesism shit. Like, most vegans will still always prioritize people over animals. That doesn’t mean we can’t have animal rights or killing and eating them, but yeah, animals are necessary for a lot of medical research and termite infestations are still gonna be met with extermination.
The idea of speciesism is really simple. The idea is that Other animals are just as deserving of life as we are and the core assumption of animal agriculture; that by raising and maintaining the lives of animals We can decide when and how they die, is fallacious and inherently cruel. The arguments for this tend to center around how when the Nazis we’re designing concentration camps they looked to slaughterhouses for inspiration on how to do a mass extermination. That might sound like bougie Zionist veganism that doesn’t properly account for the value of human life. But I personally think it’s a profound idea because every genocide begins with the dehumanization of the enemy and the fact that dehumanization usually translates directly to “its ok to murder and brutalize them” is evidence that there’s something to the idea IMO. I think it’s debatable how Necessary or even valuable animals are for medical research and honestly pests like termites can be directly harmful to ones health and the health of their family so that kinda falls into a similar category of like what you do when attacked by an animal; you gotta kill the Animal or atleast get it very far away from you because otherwise it will physically harm you. We’re allowed to prioritize human lives over other animals just as any other species would with their own. We just can’t ethically capture or keep livestock with intent to slaughter because that’s just as bad as fattening up Some other person so you can eat them later.
Honey is worse than eating endemic bugs if you’re comparing them.
Honey production has a lot of terrible suffering involved on top of being bad for the environment.
That’s what I said lol but that said small scale beekeeping is fine and kinda good
Further evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUVXsmlifKM
I think most probably would be. Some vegans don’t even eat honey.
All vegans do not eat honey.
If someone eats honey, they are not vegan. They are stricter vegetarians who avoid (presumably) dairy and eggs.
If you eat vegetables, there will be bugs in there, there’s just no way around it. So already, it’s established that being vegan is doing the least amount of harm to animals practically possible. Whats considered “practical” is what’s in contention. It also depends heavily on your reason for being vegan, for instance a lot of people our age do it for the environment.
Personally I don’t eat bugs because, gross, but I occasionally have bread that has honey in it because I’m not gonna bother to buy a different loaf if someone in my home grabs some with it in there. If that invalidates being being a vegan, that’s a pretty unstable classification.
Yes, that is not what veganism is by the definition.
I’m with you, if someone accidentally buys something I’ll eat/drink it, that happened to me yesterday. But that’s why veganism is an ideal to strive for, not something you either are or aren’t doing.
Also, what you’re doing isn’t “eating honey” how I meant it. You don’t buy honey and you avoid buying items made with it. You’re just not denying eating it if someone buys it accidentally, which is different. Honey’s in a lot of stuff, it’s hard to avoid.
