This is because some chuds are working class and just hate liberals but don’t know that socialists exist.
Liberals tend to be wealthier, so they have more invested in the system.
Old-fashioned conservatives also tend to be loaded, which likewise means that few would ever convert.
Thoughts? I wasted my day arguing with a bunch of libs on reddit. The only chud I talked with just told me he’s going to check out Revolutionary Left Radio. He started the conversation by almost threatening to kill me but changed his tone very quickly when I busted out my socialist clichés. The libs, meanwhile, just kept twisting their brains into pretzels.
Socialism is a an answer to a failed system. If someone doesn’t accept the system has failed/isn’t looking for answers they’ll reject socialism from the start (eg, most libs). There are a lot of chuds who are full blown boot lickers so any attempts to sway them away is a dead end (“the free market is good, government bad” crowd)
There are people who hate the current system/think it has failed them, and they accurately see Democrats as eager supporters of this failed system. So they wind up siding with Republicans because Republicans at least provide lip service for how the systems hanging over our heads harm everyday people. I like to refer to these people as “not Democrats”, as in, they are hoodwinked by our overton window and don’t see any options to left of Dems, don’t want to side with Dems ever, and either go right or go ‘apolitical’
Those “not Democrats” are very easy to convert and easy to spot but I don’t think they make up a majority of the right. Most every day right wingers honestly would be willing to push us through a wood chipper before ever letting our policy positions take hold, but you can occasionally find people like you mentioned amongst the crowd. I don’t think it’s at a drastically different rate than liberals, however. Sorry for rambling
Anyone can be swayed, politics in america is cultural not material. Labor union clubhouses as a replacement for the church as a third place, later on being replaced with more cultural third places, are the defining feature of how people vote.
People joining DSA to meet people in a new city is a good thing and should be encouraged. Creating entertainment that funnels people into a left wing cultural sphere would do far more than any amount of phonebanking could.
Except Republicans don’t do the thing you’re saying, only Trump does that. There’s no fucking chance in hell that’s what Ron Johnson in Wisconsin or Pat Toomey in PA are about.
The vast majority of Republicans are voting that way based on either party propaganda or deeply held beliefs around the issue of abortion. Most cultural chuds that associate with like proudboys and what not don’t give a shit about abortion, but there is a 25% of the electorate that is voting on that issue alone. If the church suddenly told them to vote for Bernie they’d vote for Bernie.
The only way to reach these people is to bring them out of that bubble through the creation of more third places like what labor unions used to represent. When the church is you’re primary third place, no way in hell you vote for a democrat.
So many Americans have a weird grab-bag of political beliefs and only engage in partisan politics as a spectator sport. We can win over some of them if we offer them real undeniable benefits and help them realized that both parties are dead ends for real change. You’re probably not going to convince my chud uncle who thinks that Nancy Pelosi is a demonic socialist and that socialism is when the government does stuff
Plenty of chuds are wealthy wtf. This post feels like it’s from r/stupidpol.
And calling republicans “average/regular” people when they are in the margins of almost every issue in American society is some smooth brained shit.
Cth looooves romanticizing conservatives as a group of misguided hillbilly communists. It was one of the things that bothered me the most about the sub, and I’m a little disappointed to see it start up again here. Liberals absolutely do not tend to be wealthier lmao interact with literally anybody other than globe emoji psychopaths on twitter.
I think they’re referring to republican voters, many of which don’t share all of the social and economic views of the people they vote for
Yeah a ton of chuds are supr wealthy, but a ton of them are making ~50k while working blue collar jobs.
Around the time of the primaries I remember on one of the chapo episodes where they were talking about canvassing for Bernie. Hands down republican voters were WAY easier to talk to because they’re just normal people who want health care and an education for their kids.
Buttigeg etc voters were impossible to talk to, they were on a totally different planet and couldn’t stop going off about how their candidate made them feel and what a great speaker they were and how they reminded them on Obama etc etc and couldn’t possibly give two shits or a fuck about the well being of working class people.
