Original post here: https://hexbear.net/post/3856299?scrollToComments=false
I think we have a general path forward based on community feedback. “We see you, we hear you!”
I went ahead and unpinned the old post. I’m pinning this one for now and will edit this post when I wake up from eepy time. I had a very mid week and have no particular alarm set so be on look out. Love y’all and I’m amped for my first announcement post since coming back. :)
The mods behind this statement should come forward and c/selfcrit. So many people have pointed out the the jacketing the userbase here as cishet white Reddit debatebros is fucked up and hurtful among other issues, and they are cowards for hiding behind CARCOSA. If you have contempt for the users then say it with your whole fucking chest under your own name
The fact CARCOSA has the presence of mind to step down (should have just offered it, don’t step down please) and these losers are still just hiding is reprehensible.
seems like you are too scared to respond
Aren’t you on your 20th alt account? Post it under your main, it’s a bit sad at this point
Sincerely thank you so much for doing this loser thing still. It’s incredibly sad, but you’ve just financed me eating a nice dinner, thanks so much
They’re saying we’re being misanthropic when we shoot the shit about the absurdities about reactionary thought? I mean, we started out as a fandom for a political comedy podcast for crying out loud. That sort of pop criticism is what drew me left in the first place.
But, if we’re talking “misanthropic,” I’ve seen reactionary guys who’s brains have been poisoned by consuming nothing but crime stories. They think humans are just naturally violent in some sort of semi-Hobbesean view. Now that’s what I’d consider misanthropic.
Lol sorry I couldnt comment on the actual post so I put it here
Condescending, infantilizing, dismissive, ableist, and incredibly transphobic - what can’t be said about that post? Genuinely fucking wack, the mods responsible can eat my entire ass. Especially at a point in time where the right is attacking trans people with no pushback, the liberals are already starting to abandon us, and our rights and our lives are in more danger then they have been in decades. Coming from a place that was so formative in allowing me to develop my understanding of my own gender is just so so disappointing. We’ve literally done demographic surveys, half the active users aren’t even cis. We’re right back to tone policing and civility politics, yet again. We’re a shitposting site and we always have been, a direct offshoot of a shitposting subreddit. Sorry if I seem misanthropic but it comes with the territory when half the country you live in hates your fucking guts. I’m not going to be a good civil little f-slur and write an effort post explaining why reactionary shithead number 48902507’s opinion is counter-revolutionary, I want their takes ripped to shreds and treated with the disdain that reactionary opinions deserve. Where is your fucking rage? . And then to say that there’s a problem with mysogyny on the dunk comms and call the new comm fucking gossip??? A term meaning vapid and mindless chatter that is deeply associated with misogynyistic attitudes towards women?? Absolutely nasty. Calling it mutual self harm is fucking gross and ableist too. I know well what self harm is, and I don’t need some jumped up power user telling me that getting some laughs or venting our anger at terrible people a bit in a broken, dying world is remotely equivalent to even the most basic forms of SH. Its insulting at best. I would go so far as to say that there were points in my life where having just the tiniest refuge of sanity in a sea of shit kept me from doing worse things to myself than what I’ve already done. Whoever made that analogy specifically needs to pull their head out of their fucking ass.
If there’s a problem with comm culture then a discussion should have been made about what could be done on both the users, and the mods ends to improve the comms in a more positive direction. Things like - finding a better name, healthier site usage habits, combating misogyny, racism, etc, and pushing back against irony poisoning. But clearly there is a problem with the moderation itself if this is the attitude that the a large portion of the mod team has towards the userbase.
@TransComrade69@hexbear.net I think a mod purge or at least deeeep self crit is warranted for the mods who engaged in this display of smug, self righteous, -mod level behavior
get your laughs while you can, I’m going to go for a while
Wat. Nobody, absolutely nobody, wanted Carcosa to step down. We just want to shitpost. Let us shitpost, Carcosa come back, and everything will be whole again. It’s so simple it does not need to be more complicated than that.
probably because nobody enjoys creating such a giant shitshow that people start going all conspiracy mode. it’s very stressful, and this place has always been a bit of a pain to admin even in good times I feel like, so this may have just been the straw that broke the camel’s back in terms of burning out.
idk, we will see, I also had no interest in seeing them resign over this, but I think we’re probably not going back if I had to guess. We should have more than 1 active admin at any given time, its too much burden for one person to shoulder and its been a while since I’ve seen more than the occasional peep from anyone but carcosa
Edit: nope guess they’re back in some capacity. fuck yeah https://hexbear.net/post/3868611
ALL of this was clearly shortsighted and a mistake. All behind the scenes communications (between mods, admins, and with other instances), trying to implement changes without the community even being aware (let alone being behind them), and finally mods and admins stepping down. I mean seriously, take a step back and tell me this doesn’t absolutely reek of wrecker shit.
Do we seriously think that the squeaky wheel for moving the site further from “white cishet male vibes” would be adding a barrier to posting unless you engage in debatebro dialectics? I mean that’s comically white cishet male vibes.
Let’s be so real right now. Undo everything. Start over. That includes admins unilaterally unadminning. Theyve done their self crit and it seemed as genuine as it could be, now they should ask the community for forgiveness and I’m almost certain theyll get it. If they don’t, then that’s that and they bow out gracefully, but at this point (unless they resigned for mental health issues) I feel as though they owe it to the community to have a say. The community deserves this whole situation to be approached from the very beginning. This includes deciding whether a debate even needs to be held regarding the old or new comms. No poweruser bullshit about trying to change site culture or making it more serious without community input.
I am a mod on /agitprop. If people like the idea, I’m more than happy to have a weekly Megathread running parallel to the standing news Megathread that is limited strictly to serious discussion, close readings, and actual counter propaganda about current events and other cultural zeitgeist issues. We have plenty of great users ready to put great effort into their posts if they’ll get noticed. If you need any evidence, look at the current pinned thread on /agitprop which has had (knock on wood) NO modding to it thus far and been completely on topic and FILLED with high effort posting. Stopping people from being unserious and having fun will not make them be serious, it will just end their engagement. Plenty of people come here to do both things, myself included. If you like your shitposting, you can keep it.
Have faith that the community is good as if you are a part of it, and I promise you’ll have a much more fruitful experience than trying to change it from the top down.
GOOD post! Though I don’t need carcosa to unadmin.
Also going forward we need to stop hiding mod actions behind automod. Reopen feedback or userunion. Stop having so many “anonymous” mod discussions, but instead have them a place where users can read (though not participate) what is going on. Anonymity should be for opsec reasons only, not just some shithead wanting to be able to talk shit without pushback.
I think there should probably be some accountability for whoever was/were behind “the white cishet man vibes” part of the post, editing it out of the original post doesn’t change that is was there, saying that shit was kinda fucked, as many people in the original post noted
Yeah carcosa stepping down makes things worse not better. The issue was in no way carcosa, in fact they made it much less bad than it could have been. The idea that carcosa steps down and those cowardly mods still get to run around behaving like gross bigots pisses me off.
I still don’t fully understand what is happening. I know I don’t want @CARCOSA@hexbear.net to go though
Apparently this is why they are stepping down? I really disagree with that, people are conflating “trying to avoid more drama” with “working with nazis” in the other thread. I feel like I missed something there.
On top of that this is Carcosas reasoning for stepping down which is what motivated me to hammer home that they handled this situation as best as it possibly could be handled and they really should not step down for making mistakes, when the only mistake they’ve made is listen to those shitty mods.
People, me included, are mad because of the mod statement that was released about the closing down of the comms + The reasoning for closing down the comms. In a lot of ways it seems like this is the culmination of something that has been a long time coming and been unresolved for far too long - Some users think posting is praxis and that hexbear should be the headquarters of the revolutionary vanguard.
These users are dipshits that don’t understand that most leftist orgs are also just fun places to hang out and shoot the shit. That’s why people choose to volunteer for that kind of stuff - Because it is, in part, nice.
These dipshits furthermore think their treats are somehow less treatlike than the treats they dislike despite both treats being hexbear.
Finally they have a narc mindset.
Also they smell bad and they coat their shitty behaviour with leftist rhetoric so they can get away with it. Lots of talk about “chauvinism”, “bigotry” and “toxicity” despite the previous thread being full of those very same people being incredibly hostile, dismissive, derisive, misgendering, ableist and a lot more. This isn’t hypocrisy, because they don’t actually care about bigotry, they just use it as an excuse to avoid self-reflection.
Given some of the recent history, sometimes seems like we have a transphobic mod/admin problem, not a transphobic user problem.
Yeah lol the last thread about misogyny I had to bite my tongue not to blurt out “over half this site is queer! Maybe the problem isn’t just the 10 cishet guys we keep as pets! Maybe you should look inwards you fucking dorks! Maybe you’re the issue!”
queer people also aren’t immune to misogyny brainworms unfortunately. I had some qualms about some details of that thread (if I’m thinking of the same one), but to say the mods are The Problem then as now…
I guess I’m just not sure i’m totally on board with the “shitty mod clique” thesis you’re operating on. I think there are definitely some people operating more on vibes and their personal comfort, which sometimes results in bad analysis, but on the other hand, we want all sorts of marginalized people to be comfortable here, so its not like you can completely ignore those factors either.
agree, this was the thing that peeved me the most about the whole debacle honestly. also don’t think carcosa needs to step down unless it’s also for personal reasons.
For me what pissed me off, was an alt account of one of our users telling everyone to kill themselves if we disagreed with them because apparently we’re just a bunch of chauvinistic white males…
That alt was the most heated person in the struggle session
I have a theory 👁
yeah I thankfully missed that part. definitely a bizarre addition to the story
