if the dreaded second american civil war does break out, its not going to be socialism v fascism like so many fascists and leftists seem to believe. This conflict, much like the revolutionary war, will be a bourgeois revolution. The only real sides to this fight will be military and some police loyal to biden and small parts of the military and untrained and underequipped Trump militias. This is mostly if biden wins by a large margin, if trump decides to cheat the election, libs will probably end up conceding to him and shurgging their shoulders. any kind of armed socialist movement will do nothing but draw the ire of normal people and intelligence agencies, which is like exactly what you don’t want to happen if you want to build a real left wing movement in the united states. idk moral of the story: who the fuck cares, fighting for biden is about the same as voting for him. use whatever crisis that arises to advocate for communism, or you can join the biden militias/national guard if u wanna dome nazis idc
What is this meme of intracapitalist conflict I’m seeing pop up. I see absolutely no evidence of this, the capitalists have far more in common and far more solidarity than you can possibly imagine. There will absolutely not be any conflict between the military lol. No amount of LARPing or lone wolf acts of violence is proof of an actual civil war.
Remember, the American Civil War was an existential war between capitalism and fuedalism, there was a material basis to it. What material basis is there here?
US slavery was not feudalism, please update your bloody information. the bourgeoise breaking from feudalism in america in it’s own tiny way was the war of independence—but even then, feudalism never meaningfully existed in the US
Exactly. There were major class contradictions between the southern planter aristocracy, slaves, northern industrial capitalists, and western homesteading yeomen farmers, and it all came to a head in the civil war. End result is slaves become sharecroppers or convicts afterwards for a large part, and the great migration afterwards in reaction to such conditions.
@Bread_In_Baltimore wrote one up yesterday
FWIW I agree with you, I think the post I linked mistakes failing industries/verticals/whatever for a split in the bourgeosie, when capital’s always vultured the most over-leveraged members of the class during every economic contraction. Those in failing areas that aren’t over-leveraged will just move their capital to one that isn’t.
I think folks mistake lib capital’s cooption of id-pol as meaning they’re on the other side of a conflict with the trump/fash crowd, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. Scratch a liberal’s an axiom for a reason.
Oh fuck off you cowardly fuck
The movement doesn’t matter if fascism wins.
I don’t really give a shit how you justify it, if it actually came down to a war then you better fight cause otherwise you’re liable to end up in a stadium anyway.
lol implying that neoliberalism is anything other than fascism with a rainbow paint job. there’s literally no way to justify fighting for DIET Fascism™ vs fascism, when you could literally just work to build local left wing movements
Fuck off liberal I ain’t voting for Biden and I sure as hell won’t join Biden’s Army
So don’t.
You really think civil war in America would stay as 2 factions divided by political party? At this point?
Of course not. But the two largest factions would be the far right backing Trump and the dems backing Biden. The third parties would all get crushed in a day, maybe less, if we tried to fight. That’s not to mention how many anarchists nowadays are openly calling to shoot MLs on sight or round them all up to enable their non-removedy socialism, so we’d be EVEN weaker than we already are thanks to infighting
I did a big write-up yesterday on how the conflict brewing is an intrabourgeois conflict and not one between leftists and fascists, with a material/class analysis to back it up.
I don’t think a civil war starts next week, but there will definitely be right wing violence, especially if Trump loses after election day. It is NOT worth it to kill or get killed for Joe fucking Biden. Protect yourself and your family/comrades but do not go out to be adventurist and get people hurt or killed. This isn’t the revolution, we won’t win, they’re is literally zero scenarios where a vague “left” goes out and stops fascism and somehow comes out a victor. The state hates us, including factions aligned with the Democrats, and armed chuds outnumber armed leftists probably 100 to 1 at least.
Stay safe, keep talking about socialism, buy guns and ammo and get in shape. There is a good chance we actually will have a real fight ahead of us but it’s not coming next week or even next year.
do not kill in the name of socialism; kill because you are a devoted worshiper of the blood god, and he demands skulls for his throne.
