Neoliberals clearly view him as a fascist. I don’t acutally think this is the case at all, and we are really just witnessing increaingly antagonistic contradictions unfold within the bourgeoisie. Regardless, Libs clearly view him this way, and we should take note.

To liberals we are identical to fascists and we will be treated in exactly the same way as he has been by the media, big tech, the liberal establishment etc.

It’s been disconcerting (when is it not) watching all the takes from centrist-democrat-fash about corralling the left. If Jo Bi wins, the only real action we’re about to see from Dems is to fucking quell the left. It feels good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfoxsfhi-kk

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Trump is a liberal democrat

That’s a hard truth to accept but it posits liberalism as our direct enemy and many on the left are squeamish to do that (preferring to think they’re “fighting fascism” by voting for Biden because Biden isn’t an open racist and bigoted piece of shit - though Rapey Joe is obviously racist and bigoted).

And Liberal Democrats, when push comes to shove, are neither liberal or democratic if it offends their view of the free market. Just look at the Liberal Democrat party in UK who ran on a platform of abolishing Brexit if they were voted in. Liberals have no problem with dictatorships if its in their class interest - just look at Reagan or Thatcher who supported many, many dictatorships worldwide or the amount of dictatorships liberals support today that cornerstones of their foreign policy

They sabotaged Donald Trumps presidency from the get go with the entire “Russia gate conspiracy theory”. The latest CIA leaks reveal this if somehow you have brainworms and the Mueller report didn’t

https://nypost.com/2020/10/10/latest-revelations-show-team-obama-invented-russiagate-scandal/

If a nominally a socialist or communist ever came to power democratically (which the US has never allowed: USA went to war in Korea and Vietnam to prevent peaceful reunification under the Communist parties there. Vietnam would’ve democratically Ho Chi Minh in the South had USA not gone to war. They interfered in the 1948 Italian elections to prevent Communists coming to power, They had French elected Communists removed from power. They had an Australian PM removed for not wanting to be close to USA in foreign policy etc.)

But if a Socialist or Communist came to power democratically in USA they would face the same fate as JFK. And if there was a mass movement behind this President (ie. they can’t just chop the head off the movement) they’d support fascists to murder you in your homes without a second thought as they did in Indonesia in 1965 when 500,000-5 million Communists, socialists and trade unionists were murdered

The more effective bourgeois rulers understood the dangers of a Trump presidency as they saw him as ruining USA imperial power. If Biden gets in this a tragedy for the world proletariat. Biden will feed the social-fascists in the USA crumbs off the table of an expanded imperialism. The worlds people will once again be seized by the throat - postponing proletarian revolution in the global south and at home. Biden has oft attacked Trump from the right - at not being a good enough bourgeois custodian of imperial empire.

Biden on Venezuela

Venezuelan people are worse off, living in one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world. The country’s no closer to a free election, and Trump’s, Trump’s incoherent approach is alienating international partners

Biden on Syria when Trump was withdrawing troops from Syria

Donald Trump, I believe — it’s not comfortable to say this about a president — but he is a complete failure as a commander in chief. He’s the most reckless and incompetent commander in chief we’ve ever had.

The events of this past week … have had devastating clarity on just how dangerous he is to our national security, to our leadership around the world and to the lives of the brave women and men serving in uniform

Biden on Venezuela and Cuba

Trump is the worst possible standard-bearer for democracy in places like Cuba and Venezuela

We have to vote for a new Cuba policy. This administration’s approach isn’t working. Cuba is no closer to freedom and democracy today than it was four years ago. In fact, there are more political prisoners. The secret police are as brutal as ever, and Russia is once again a major presence in Havana. President Trump cannot advance democracy and human rights for the Cuban people, or the Venezuelan people for that matter, when he has embraced so many autocrats around the world, starting with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un in North Korea

On China

He has vowed to “fully enforce” the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act signed by Trump last year and meet with exiled Tibetan leader, the Dalai Lama, if elected. Biden has labeled China’s mass detention and re-education program for the Xinjiang region’s predominately Muslim Uighur minority as “genocide” and called for an international effort to make a united stand against the campaign. The Democratic nominee said he would convene a “Summit for Democracy” to reach new commitments to fight corruption and authoritarianism and advance human rights. That would include pressing technology companies to make pledges to “ensure their algorithms and platforms are not empowering the surveillance state, facilitating repression in China and elsewhere

On Belarus

Although President Trump refuses to speak out on their behalf, I continue to stand with the people of Belarus and support their democratic aspirations.

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My origininal take on Trump was to reluctantly prefer him over Clinton since it was pretty clear she was a threat to multilaterialism etc. Trump might be a bastard, but I’ve never seen him laugh about anyone being sodomized with a saber, and he had an anti interventionist stance in general. His scaling up of the drone program was hard to bare, but there is no clear reason to think fewer people would have died under a Clinton presidency.

I feel like there is chaos under heaven and its really hard to predict what will come next, so I am just telling everyone I know to read theory and organize over and over and over every chance I get with mixed results (ok, not that mixed, mostly everyone just ignores me.)

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To see Gadaffi die in such a way broke my heart and I knew Trump was the lesser evil to Clinton back in 2016 when I saw her cackling laughter at such a lynching

Here was a man that had fought his entire life for his country and funded and armed national liberation movements the world over.

Who raised his population to the highest living standards on the African continent whilst planning on using Libyan gold to fund a pan-African currency which would lift the poorest people on the planet into a formidable political block which would’ve ensured that Africans now “stood up”

And to see how the so-called Leftists responded to this NATO campaign was very disappointing.

This piece is a hilarious read to go back to if the actual events weren’t so sad

https://socialistworker.org/2011/02/28/taking-sides-about-libya

I feel like there is chaos under heaven and its really hard to predict what will come next,

Yes comrade, with no organisation we can achieve nothing. It is important to organise now.

so I am just telling everyone I know to read theory and organize over and over and over every chance I get with mixed results (ok, not that mixed, mostly everyone just ignores me.)

I feel a lot of problems could be solved in the Left movement generally if they took seriously the study of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin. They were incredible thinkers the like the world has never seen before or since.

To gain a firmer grasp of anti-imperialism for instance it would be wonderful if more on the Left could take the time to study the two following works by Lenin

The Right of Nations to Self-Determination

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism

Or Chapter 2 of this Stalin piece which details what a socialist country will likely go through when they’re encircled by capitalist nations

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Good suggestions, but I am pretty familiar with the concept.

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This place has such a ridicoulus victim complex if you guys think the average lib hates socialists more than fascists.

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you guys think the average lib hates socialists more than fascists.

Yes. This statement is correct.

Liberalism is the moderate wing of fascism.

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You are right. Liberals have a long history of not mass muredering leftists.

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They know we are not fascists, they hate us more than they hate fascists because they know deep down that we are correct.

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That’s what every faction of fringies says.

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shhh shhh we’re circlejerking about our superiority

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They know deep down that we want to take their stuff.

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We have the bigger balls.

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