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Yes the number of people on this side with guerilla fantasies is too damn high. The guns are not in your favour and never will be. Only non violent revolutions succeede or revolutions in which the mayority of the military sides with the revolution. Even Mao had huge numbers of Kuomintang deserteurs in his ranks and China was about the leat developed country in the world back then. So you have two strategic avenues:

-follow a way of non violence

-try to gain a better foodhold in the military (which prettymuch implies ignoring peoples past)

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I heavily disagree with this sentiment. Guns and other such implements of war are the material basis of power. And the distinction between military and civilian is an artificial distinction made specifically to prevent the masses from acquiring true power. The goal for communists should be arming and organizing the people to the extent that their military power matches that of the state. Of course infiltrating the military and converting soldiers to our cause is also a part of that, but the main focus should be on militarizing the entire civilian population(minus the reactionaries of course).

Also which non-violent revolution has succeeded?

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Mao also held political activists (protests/strikes/party organizing) to be equally important as military activities and his guerillas often weren’t even armed and had to fight japanese imperialists with kitchen knifes and swords.

The Communists’ political organizing turned them into the dominant force in the civil war, I don’t think # of guns are accurate measurement of power.

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Wonder where I fall with 6.

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Everyone reading this should own a long gun and a sidearm.

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You’d be surprised. A lot of hunters (myself included) are very passionate about the idea of public land and this can be a good gateway to radicalization. As a person of color I was a little nervous getting into hunting and firearms a few years ago but I’ve found most people to be pretty friendly and as apolitical and sound-bite brained as most Americans.

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I can tell you there is some strong overlap between right-wing leanings and being a hunter,

ikr? God, i want to learn the whole tracking and finding prey animals thing so bad but just to shoot *pictures * of them. I want all the pretty pictures of all the pretty animals lol. I can’t really get the thought process behind wanting to kill the thing. We have meat for sale anywhere, while screw with nature harder.

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The whole “we have guns to make a revolution to overthrow a tyrannic government” thing is such a big joke that even leftist Americans believe. When and if some kind of revolution is viable, the government will have outlawed them anyways in response to that and leftists definitely won’t have the advantage in gun ownership. They’ll still have to do it the same way everyone else does, illegally and with the help of dissident military/police, and even then that will be secondary to the rest (general strikes etc). It’s only little street fights that they may be useful in, but, like, they’re just not terribly important in general.

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This is less about revolution and more about leftists realizing they’re outnumbered

That’s really the central issue. The issue is being outnumbered. Not just for defense purposes, but in general. The left is going nowhere if there aren’t numbers behind it.

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