“Well what’s the alternative?”
tell them the alternative
“Well, everyone thinks their political opinion is the correct one, what gives you the right to say yours is correct”
passionately appeal to their human empathy and tell them why socialism is indeed correct
“Wow stop being so aggressive, you’re trying to force your beliefs on me, this is why people don’t like talking about politics”
sooner or later politics will become relevant to your life, capitalism is killing our species, do you not want to maybe do something about that…?
“Well if we’re all doomed anyway what’s the point, might as well just be blissfully ignorant”
Fucking end my life. This is almost verbatim a conversation I just had. This is a person who came from a working family who has worked and rented their whole life. Convo started when I called landlords parasites and tried to explain why, lol. How are we meant to convince a critical mass of these people to leave their false consciousness behind before capitalism fucking kills us all :doomer:
Tbh I’m getting tired of trying to convince “normies” to become communists or at least less fuckin liberal and a tad bit more radical. Pretty much everyone I know / work with knows my politics. Some people are easier than others but not really. Idk, at this point I feel like I just need to join a party and meet people who are already communists, cause I haven’t convinced a single person to be a communist. Be less liberal and more critical of the state of things? Sure. But go all the way and become a communist? Maybe just one person. And my talking points are solid, it’s just hard to get through to people after a life of propaganda I guess.
I think meeting more communists would help me be more motivated. Just hate the idea of using my day off to travel half hour/ hour to go to a party meeting instead of relaxing. But I guess that’s liberal of me lol. Can’t be tired of trying to convince the masses of our way of thinking and all that…
I feel like I just need to join a party and meet people who are already communists
Yes, you should. We can only achieve change together, not as atomised individuals.
Oh believe me I tried all that too. “Why shouldn’t they be allowed to do that, they had to work to afford the house in the first place”
😑🔫
I think in that case you need to move on people won’t necessarily see through propaganda until it affects them personally. They are living a comfortable or at least comfortable enough life that they don’t really see the need to change things. Or if they do they feel it’s impossible. People need to be open to talk about it if someone isn’t they probably won’t listen.
let them eat global ruin
That’s not how you turn people communist. The first thing you gotta do is look at their level of wealth. If that person is well-off, you may as well try to climb the Everest while blind. If that person isn’t well-off, then your work begins. You need to figure out what this person is into in terms of issues : environment, poverty, anti-racism, anti-interventionism, etc… That kind of things. When you choose an angle from which to attack, you gotta fetch some pretty “cool bug facts”, and show them. If it’s a guy living paycheck to paycheck who is attracted towards populist policies, then show him his idols are linked with what he hates (media-billionaire ties for example). If it’s a middle class college student who’s into reformism, then show him the corruption and how deep the lobbies rabbithole goes.
Also, I’ll say this : Krobuttkin is right here. You can never, NEVER appeal to empathy from those who are well-off. Unless you have a deep, personal connection to them, you simply will not convince them. Hell, you might not convince them even with a personal connection. The guy here doesn’t seem to have a problem with rent, or at least not enough to care, so attacking through the poverty angle will not work. If you can’t find anything else to challenge the ideals of said relative on, then you may as well wait a little bit longer or dig some more. Or move on, up to you.
But damn, you’re right about the doomer vibes, for real. People are fucking stupid, and can’t fucking help it until they’re directly affected by capitalism.
