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Btw even Finnish historians agree that the number is pure bullshit, made up for propaganda purposes. Soviet archives analysis confirms it, if it was real he would have to singlehandedly caused half of the losses of Soviet units located there.

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Don’t tell finnaboos that, you’ll cause a meltdown not seen since the formation of the Earth

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I already did few times and the effect was as you describe. Funnily enough, it’s not even any tankie lore, even their beloved wiki mentions that.

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8 points

Was it some online squabble? I can’t imagine anyone reacting much to it irl since most agree the stuff is exaggerated. It’s a sore point or anything.

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I think me and most Finns know it’s exaggerated. That’s usually brought up when talking about him. Most think he was impressive sniper but not that impressive.

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yeah but the fashies don’t want to talk about that

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49 points

Fifty years from now: “The Ghost of Kiev was the deadliest top gun in history.”

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When you take a lil peek in the ark of the covenant and your stupid nazi face melts just a lil bit

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25 points

Unexpected Indiana Jones reference

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Simo Häyhä wasn’t a Nazi but I did chuckle

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Who was Finland allied with? Also, why was the symbol of the finnish military a swastika until 2020?

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Nobody. During Winter War Finland was fighting alone against Soviet Union.

I think that’s one of the things that made the war so notable, tiny Finland fighting against huge Soviet Union, 1 v 1.

It wasn’t the symbol of Finnish military till 2002. It was in some limited use. I think it still is btw. The reason was that it’s old Finnish symbol since I think iron ages or before and for example the air force logo came from a Swedish count in 1918. Pretty interesting history.

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22 points

idk. if you’re shooting communists, you’re probably a nazi.

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In this case the communist attacked you and started shooting you first. I’d imagine most would defend themselves when attacked

It’s an interesting idea though that anyone who communists attack are Nazis. Maybe the funniest conclusion from that is that Vietnamese were Nazis since China attacked Vietnam in 1979.

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37 points

Mfw I get half my face blown off by an explosive bullet, and then get left for dead by my comrades.

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Bro think he Gus💀

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https://twitter.com/After__History/status/1698068265699086806

The “legend” of Simo Häyhä is a product of Finnish nationalist myth-making. There is no evidence to suggest that he killed that many people—the absurdly high “542 kill count” is war propaganda that was never confirmed by even Hayha himself, as shown by the historian F. Marjomaa

These superhero-like sniper legends endure today as highly sensational pop history in service of nationalism. In reality, it was not at all possible (or desirable) for snipers to accurately keep track of kills, and stories of bravado were grossly exaggerated over time

It’s also worth noting that the “RuSSians” Häyhä did kill would have included a significant number of Ukrainians and Central Asians, so it’s strange to see someone with a Ukraine flag emoji in their name gloating over Ukrainians being killed.

There is this tendency to project the current russia and Ukraine conflict back into history, which really makes zero sense in the Soviet context given that Ukrainians were Soviets who by and large earnestly believed in and fought for the Soviet project.

Anyways, this is not to say Häyhä was not a talented soldier (he was), but that these narratives are a highly distorted, and unhelpful way of understanding history prone to exaggeration, essentially treating war like a Call of Duty game scoreboard.

One should also hesitate to treat Häyhä as a hero. While he did not serve in the continuation war when Finland was allied with the Nazis, this was not out of any kind of protest. He wished to participate but was unable to do so due to the injuries from fighting the Soviets.

https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/talvisodan-tarkka-ampujasta-tuli-sankari-liioiteltiinko-valkoista-kuolemaa/3124576

SS from this article. Every researcher who has seriously studied Hayha’s “count” using archival evidence has concluded it’s been grossly exaggerated. Also, see the work of Hannu Narsakka or Oleg Kiselev. Nothing really in English though, unfortunately

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Wait was he Pro-Axis? I only ever hear the kill count and see the picture of the face, I didn’t see the uniform before, what uniform is that?

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The guy fought in the Finnish-Soviet war. Against the Soviets and for the Axis-aligned Finland. Do you think he might be a tiny bit pro-Axis?

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25 points

I shit you not I never knew

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Lol same, just saw him whitewashed in some war pop history listicle as a teenager and it was years before i found out

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Well no problem, now you do. We all learn new things, yeah?

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Finland wasn’t Axis aligned during Winter War. In fact Nazi Germany hampered Italian attempts to help Finland because it would’ve gone against the Nazi-Soviet Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that gave Finland to Soviet Union.

Simo Häyhä only served during the Winter War.

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Finnish military uniform. It’s not some Nazi uniform if that’s what you’re wondering. He was a Finnish soldier during Winter War where Soviet Union attacked Finland. People saying he was fighting for “Axis alignes Finland” are confusing Winter War for Continuation War where Finland fought alongside Nazi Germany against Soviet Union.

As for his personal opinions on Axis countries, I don’t really know. I don’t think he was very outspoken about those, if he had much of an opinion.

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The uniform is what threw me, back in the day at least, because I know what Soviet and Nazi uniforms look like and I didn’t know that one

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