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Furthermore to be Socialist would be to aid comrades internationally, yet China not only has not promised to ever do this (nor is this something Communist would ever dare hide from the Global masses), but they’ve actually done the opposite on multiple occasions."

But China does aid “comrades” by working with any country, regardless of the complaints of the imperial core, and promoting mutually beneficial, win-win cooperation and pro-Global South industrialization and modernization. Just recently, China pledged to help defend Venezuela’s national sovereignty and economic transition into an industrial economy rather than simply existing as a raw material exporter. China’s foreign policy in the past has not always been great, but that does not mean that we should let the mistakes overshadow the accomplishments. That would just be historical nihilism. The commenter’s idea of internationalism seems to be incessantly lending arms and money into so-called Maoist armies, but this is not China’s approach to diplomacy—China is not the USSR and shouldn’t strive to be!

I’m not even going to bother with the rest of this childish take—nothing but rhetoric and overzealous dogmatism over material reality.

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21 points

China is successful and thus it can’t be socialist.

MF can’t see that China is successful because it IS socialist.

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Western maoism is just a cult of failure and poverty at this point.

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Western Maoists have never earned the hearts of the people and supplanted their dictatorship of capital and oppression, yet they claim to be the true heirs of “pure socialism”.

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Wtf is a western Maoist? The only Maoists I’ve met are old dudes who were part of the red guard

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Internet people throwing around quotes from Lenin, Stalin and Mao but hating current China and all other AES. At least they used to be like that because lately they are forgetting even the quotes. Example from OP is a gonzaloist which is extreme sectarian case.

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This is very condensed ultra. Weird that they don’t reject the USSR though. Normally that’s kind of the default for Ultras. “Khrushchev was a revisionist” is pretty basic, and not even a hot take amongst most MLs.

Though this person seems to do the other bog standard ultra thing of insisting that trading with a capitalist nation is literally exactly as bad as being a capitalist themselves. And we’ve got the classic “Just Asking Questions” that I used to think was unique to right wing CHUDs, but ultras are just as adept at. It doesn’t matter what “Socialism by 2050” or “Chinese characteristics” are to me, I’m not in charge of China. My opinion is irrelevant, But this white guy from Wisconsin(?) is clearly the Most Important Person and their Opinion is the Only One That Matters, material conditions be damned.

I love how ultras always try to frame things in terms of people “not being left enough” for them. It’s great. Really shows their liberal brainworms when they still act like it is sports team politics and their team has to adhere to their own unique specific idea of what socialism is or else it isn’t True Socialism.

I look forward to this authentic Marxist’s revolution, I’m sure it’ll happen any day now, they’ve clearly got everything figured out perfectly and certainly won’t have to make any unfortunate compromises, I’m sure their ideal revolution will happen exactly as they envision, with no problems whatsoever.

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what no dialectical materialism does to a mfer.

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For a supposed Communist, they seem to ignore how the export of capital in itself is not problemaltic. Lenin explains this in depth, the matter is HOW THE CAPITAL IS USED. Is it used to create and/or take over foreign monopolies or extract super profits? Then It’d be imperialism. Is it part of equal trade? Then it is not.

The export of capital in itself is insufficient evidence to conclude imperialism.

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