All jokes aside, yesterday should’ve been a wake up call for the entire country to see how easy this is for the right wing. When the next fascist comes, they won’t be making the same mistakes Trump made.

For anyone decrying this and blaming BLM protesters for not being able to do this, go back and watch the videos. The cops helped them. They opened the gates and let them storm the capitol. More than one cop hung back and took selfies with them and generally showed no letehal force whatsoever. Had that been BLM protesters, they wouldn’t have even got to the gates. Cops would’ve already teargassed, flashbanged and sprayed them with rubber bullets while DHS and the National Guard would’ve been waiting to arrest them.

Half of the GOP are in support of this. They’ve been calling the election rigged and riding that train with the base.

The most amazing part to me IMO is that liberals live in some weird alternate reality where the mainstream media has been feeding them BS for what they want to hear for 4 years. Trump has an over 90% approval rating with the GOP voter base and it only went up after the riots last year and all of his stunts. This isn’t that hard to figure out. They love him cause he says the quiet parts out loud and don’t put on a happy face around the coded language. Libs have had 4 years to get it that people vote conservative in America to go after the people they hate. It’s about keeping black people and minorities out of their neighborhoods; putting the LGBT back in the closet, jailing immigrants and sticking it to poor people. But instead of realizing this, mainstream media has simply shoved microphones in the face of any old neocon who they label “anti-Trump” and propped them up as if they run the GOP.

The biggest thing to take into consideration is how police protected them, allowed it and then sat back and refused to use lethal force. Liberals can’t seem to figure it out and acted all stunned, but it’s really not a shock. Far right groups have been infiltrating police departments for decades. We’ve been screaming about this for years while libs just ignore it and think voting is going to solve all of these problems. The next fascist that comes around, also will have the backing the police, you can bet on that.

If Trump wasn’t a stupid idiot worried more about his ego than anything else, he could’ve totally pulled it off and seized power yesterday. But once they got in the capitol, he did what he always does and chickened out after all his big talk.

Liberals also proved how useless they are yesterday, not that it’s a big surprise. They don’t know how to do anything but be smug and condescending. You saw how they act in a coup yesterday. They’ll just get on twitter, make ‘white privilege’ trend as a hashtag and try to explain that the problem isn’t so much our system, or corrupt police helping fascists. Then sit back and scream and shout that the cops aren’t beating these people or showing lethal force. Libs don’t get it and they never will. They’re over-educated wimps who will cower in the face of fascism unfolding.

I have long believed that when Trump originally ran for president back in 2015, that the Republicans were fine with him as a sort of experiment and test. It was like they were testing the waters to see how far the American public would be willing to accept fascist rhetoric and how far they could go with someone like him and get away with it. Yesterday definitely felt like a test run for a coup. They’ve had 4 years to realize they can pull it off cause Dems are a bunch of cowards and will just hide behind the system and status quo, regardless who is in power. 4 years of a bumbling moron president and no real push back for it from Dems. Just liberals fact-checking and writing smug articles for years decrying everything. Yesterday was the last test and it proved to them, they can pull this off in the future when they get their ideal fascist, opposed to a reality TV star game show host.

We’re starring right down the barrel of fascism. The next fascist we get isn’t going to be a moron reality TV show star. Somewhere out there, the next Trump is sitting and watching. They are vowing not to make the same idiotic mistakes he has made through all this time.

Will Dems learn from this and take advantage from a GOP in disarray? I doubt it. They just barely won the Georgia runoff, squeaking that out after McConnell and the GOP wouldn’t push for the $2k stimulus and doomed themselves. Another 4 years of Obama style nothingness and open, naked class war is going to lead us to Trump 2.0.

Start preparing cause it’s a rough ride ahead.

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100% agree with you on everything.

Trump isn’t a fascist. He’s a narcissistic bumbling clown. As someone said yesterday, seeing the big crowd was enough to satisfy his ego. He wants to feel loved. So the big crowd made him believe his supposed election win was a landslide. He went home and probably felt the best he’s felt in months. If he were smarter, yesterday he could’ve totally pulled it off and seized power.

Biden absolutely will lead us to a real fascist. 4 years of extreme austerity and open, naked class war will do that. Dems only won the Georgia run off IMO cause of McConnell not backing the $2k stimulus and they just barely won it by a nail biter. While they did take in wins here in the election, they’re barely winning and most of it has moved to the suburbs with middle and upper middle class voters. They even came up with a new smug politically correct term to label the poor; “non-college educated”.

My belief is that the next fascist who comes around will most likely address the wealth inequality and talk about the class war in a warped context. When that happens, Dems are going to be fucked, cause they have spent the past 30 years ignoring material conditions and getting cozy with Wall Street while leaving their old base of the working class behind.

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So a fascist comes along and essentially blames the contradictions of capitalism on the existence of minorities. They make promises of better material conditions and flip leftist talking points about class and idpol to be reactionary to gain power

This is more or less my prediction. I think M4A will be transformed and morphed into something by the next fascist who comes around. They’ll morph it into something like “Healthcare for all Americans” and they’ve already begun blaming wealth inequality on immigrants and criminals. If protesting continues to be dominant in the following years (strong possibility, it kinda already is if we go back to 2014), then fascists have a chance to normalize talking points about how all the protesters are criminals “looting and acting like thugs”.

One thing that is often left out with Trump is that the middle class petty bourgeoise absolutely voted for him and were his base in 2016. Libs and the media never want to focus on this aspect cause they just ran Joe Biden as the “middle class president”.

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This is right, the proletarianization of the petty bourgeoisie was already happening before COVID and has been greatly accelerated by it. Those affected by this process were Trump’s most fervent supporters, and they will support any fascist down the line that represents their interests.

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Yeah, yesterday was the big moment that proves this. If he were truly a fascist, he wouldn’t have told his supporters to stand down. He would have told them to defend the seized capitol with force to inaugurate his new era.

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I mean, it feels like he got threatened with 25a or literally 25a’d when he made those half-ass statements.

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Yeah, that thought definitely crossed my mind.

There’s also the fact that he was at a military command center in Abilene, and that recent editorial by all the former secdefs about how the military mustn’t interfere with the transfer of power.

I suspect that he was thinking about and laying the groundwork (in his haphazard way) for a seizure of power, but wussed out at the last moment.

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Yeah, but if he was already going for a violent takeover, he’d just say, “go ahead.” That shit would be meaningless if he was just declaring himself president anyway.

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Not just a test run, but also an important threshold and a radicalization point. Now the people involved have tasted power and have stripped the sanctity of these institutional buildings we usually have. And while the focus is on Capitol Hill, wasnt it the case that multiple capitals got occupied across the states? Anyway, the point is that now that this threshold is crossed, it would be much easier to do so again, and people have overcome one more taboo.

It is kinda similar to the fear a lot of people had during the summer protests, that someone will fuck up, and there will be live ammo massacre (the killings that we saw were very limited, and that line ultimately wasnt crossed), cause after that happens there is no putting back the genie in the bottle. And with each one crossed, and with the mounting number of bodies, things intensify and speed up.

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Great reply, thank you. I 100% agree that it’s a radicalization point. This whole thing is a wet dream for the far right. Your post made me think of the 90s era militia types. They have been waiting for a moment like this for decades and seeing it, they have to be happy.

We’ll likely see it again in the future. As my original post states, it was a test run for the future. I expect to see them do crazier things now in states with local governments.

This is the reaction from the far right that many of us are anticipating during Biden’s presidency. We haven’t seen anything yet. They are going to get a lot crazier and scarier under another neoliberal president.

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on the plus side, if the rightists are the ones to start a revolution and dont successfully topple the government, leftists will be on the side with the armaments and will likely have the ability to take over a bit similar to what happened in russia and china

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Yeah, they were attacking all over.

They breached the gates of the governors mansion in WA and the cops just escorted them back out through the gates.

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Hello Dave Anthony!

In all seriousness your whole post is excellent but I’m genuinely shocked by how few people I know seem to grasp this bit…

The biggest thing to take into consideration is how police protected them, allowed it and then sat back and refused to use lethal force. Liberals can’t seem to figure it out and acted all stunned, but it’s really not a shock. Far right groups have been infiltrating police departments for decades. We’ve been screaming about this for years while libs just ignore it and think voting is going to solve all of these problems. The next fascist that comes around, also will have the backing the police, you can bet on that.

The liberal response will absolutely be to increase police budgets, authorise more lethal force and police powers, increase surveillance capability and possibly even more draconian forms of pre-crime arrest. They’ll give fascist a dream suite of weapons to ensure absolute success as well as further entrenching the psychology of law enforcement as the vanguard of the country, the makers of its destiny, the only thing standing between the dangerous masses and the country’s existence.

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The liberal response will absolutely be to increase police budgets, authorise more lethal force and police powers, increase surveillance capability and possibly even more draconian forms of pre-crime arrest. They’ll give fascist a dream suite of weapons to ensure absolute success as well as further entrenching the psychology of law enforcement as the vanguard of the country, the makers of its destiny, the only thing standing between the dangerous masses and the country’s existence.

Sadly true. We saw that from libs after all the BLM protests during the summer. “Police reform” is such a joke. Citations Needed did an excellent episode on this where they talked about how all the police reform talks after the Ferguson riots just resulted in them getting even more bloated budgets and tools. It led to the whole body cams and those have been proven to be useless since in court, the body cams will often be used as evidence to defend the police.

All libs are doing is whining about how the police sided with the fascists, and I highly doubt any Dems in Congress are going to push to investigate them for corruption or anything. Instead, we’ll probably get an investigation over that woman they shot and killed yesterday since the right wing will make her into a martyr. The movie Serpico proves how useless their investigations are into corruption anyway. That movie and the real life Frank Serpico documented NYPD corruption in the 1970s. The NYPD only continued to get worse as decades went on.

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Absolutely, although to be honest I doubt there’ll be much of an investigation into the shooting. It seemed to be a Secret Service agent and don’t think even Republican lawmakers are going to want to limit or make an example of their own security detail essentially.

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Hello Dave Anthony!

Dave Anthony if this really is you, please unblock me on Twitter, I’m sorry for thinking that running up the score in baseball is cool

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He’s fully quit that site so no need to worry about that anymore

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I dunno, the obvious failure of the cops here is being noticed.

Congress is gonna want massive security upgrades though. sigh.

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True, but the stated Democratic response is to increase police funding.

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I feel like what this really showed is that the dems will do nothing to stop a coup. As long as Fascists can make deals with the DoD, DHS, CIA, ect, the dems won’t give them any trouble. Basically regardless of the election results if the fascists have the backing of those institutions they can just take power. We’ll see what the Dems do in response to this, if they really do just bolster the police and surveillance state then Fascism actually seems pretty likely. I have the financial resources to emigrate, but hopefully it doesn’t come to that.

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Digging their own graves…wild

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The US is going to openly embrace full on fascism.

There is nothing that can be done to stop it from happening here.

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Yep, we’ve been on a carefully paved path to fascism for a while now. I believe it truly began with Ronald Reagan’s presidency, and then escalated further and further from there. The PATRIOT Act was the major turning point going into the 2000s and what do you know, it was written by a Democrat we just elected to president.

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According to some theorists, we’ve always been at some stage of fascist development. Since fascism itself is a process and its intensity varies.

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It was always going to be trivially easy because in Germany and Italy the fascists only came to power by a backstairs coup by the conservative establishment and the military. It will be the same here. Fascists can only be placed in the driver’s seat by the conscious collaboration of existing institutions and the military.

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and liberals aren’t going to do jack shit about it. They’ll just act shocked again when they see cops still siding with fascists in the future.

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I mean Matt addressed this in his blog yesterday in brutal fashion. What can they do? What could we or anyone do about it? Oh you’re saying its a fascist coup? Why are you posting about it instead of riding down the street raising your militia and marching to defend the state?

Fascists will take over and we will let them because we are powerless. I mean in Italy and Germany there was a very strong and organized and militant political left. Nevertheless in both countries that left was paralyzed by indecision, lack of preparation, and inaction when the moment came that demanded decisive anti-fascist action. Here? We don’t even have that. We have nothing. So yes, if it happens we all will let them because we have no alternative.

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Matt seems intent on being a helpless doomer well beyond what’s reasonable.

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