Imagine having a giant mob willing to march and take the fucking capitol, doing it while the police supported you and the army looked to their bellies, and not even getting concesions out of it. WORSE: your movement and party is shitting itself after it.

I really believe they could have pulled something IF Trump wasn’t Trump.

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Really? Oh c’mon dudes literally can’t even take a shit

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This is really depressing

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no data from PCs that weren’t logged off, unlike the blm CHADS that burned the precinct.

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It’s very good this happened because this is a prime example of action without theory. Stuff like this requires a plan of action, and extra plans to cover extra scenarios.

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YES exactly

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Imagine having a giant mob willing to march and take the fucking capitol, doing it while the police supported you and the army looked to their bellies, and not even getting concesions out of it. Worse, your whole movement/party is now shitting itself.

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This is why organization and planning matters. And if something goes to plan, we can’t just collapse. We have to adapt on the go.

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This is the correct take.

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Which is why I’m scared of Cotton or Hawley, They need to be nipped in the bud now. They’re both extremely dangerous for progress and human rights

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that assumes they have charisma and they do not but it doesn’t mean they can’t be trained

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Hawley is basically sideshow bob in the field of rakes after this. He fucked up bad trying to play to the fascists and now he just looks like an idiot.

We can laugh, but I’m sure there are a dozens of republican senators who are livid at Hawley (and Cruz) right now. they won’t say it, terrified of the base, but I don’t see how he gets any institutional support for a run.

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To be fair, Trump and Cruz had zero institutional support for a run and they were the only candidates to get any meaningful voter support in the 2016 primary. Their base has only moved farther right since. Unlike the Dems, the old guard GOP has long since lost control of their primary voters.

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I think coups tend to be appeals to—or at least, reliant on—often outside, higher authorities (eg, when the US gives its blessing to various coups over the ages).

But trump overturning an election appeals to a pretty fringe part of the US power structure; there is basically no support for this sort of thing where it matters.

I dunno, maybe I’ve got the wrong idea about how coups work

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Yes, agree, corporations really don’t care if it’s Trump or Biden.

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Is. This is not a video game. To capture the capital does not trigger a “win”. It is only a building. The power inside does not come from it.

The power of the United States comes from capital and military. To take power they must be defeated or must support. The power of a president come from these, and can not oppose or defeat them. Capital do not need a coup. The military do not.

To take power there must be organisation to contest and told topple the current power. The elected heads are not current power alone, they are just chosen to use it.

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The power inside does not come from it.

And a lot of people realized this. A lot of our normal daily lives to an extend depends on the fetishization of the institutions and their buildings. Suddenly it turned out that this massive symbol is just another rather disappointing building, and that the ruling people arent as far away and as safe as youd imagnie. This alone has power as it is eroding a lot of the stories that keep things peaceful. Now a lot of people suddenly realize that its all made up and they have the power to do a lot.

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