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Lenin even wrote about it himself. The information campaign about the real goals, methods and the ideology of NEP was the great effort, but ultimately it worked. Lenin was even (for him) very restrained about dunking on the opposition in the party and iirc waited quite long before calling the remaining hardliners “left deviationists”.

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Really funny that they use the 800 million number given that in 1953, 4 years after the PRC’s founding, China’s population was around 582 million, yet in the past 40 years (notably after Mao’s death) the CPC’s governance has lifted 800 million people out of poverty.

Where did they get the 800 million number from? Did they get it mixed up?

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It’s a little bit of a deceptive figure since it doesn’t have a good way of accounting for what people had under Mao, and poverty skyrocketed with Deng before it got better.

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I’ve found it difficult to find sources specifically detailing the poverty rate pre-Deng and post-Deng. Income inequality undoubtedly increased under Deng (par for the course for market reforms, unfortunately), but I don’t think that’s a relevant measure when considering what “extreme poverty” is (deprivation of basic human necessities like food, water, and shelter - intentional or incidental).

If you have sources, I’d appreciate it. I can’t find anything detailing the poverty rate prior to 1980.

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Shit I liked this channel they’ve got Lady Izdihar content hope she’s not like that

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She is like that. Lol.

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I remember her saying she was a Maoist.

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My father was a Naxalite , but now he loves modern China.

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8 points

Noooo 😭

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Liberals rallying around China bad vs Maoists rallying around China bad

If Mao was so great, why did he create the conditions for “bourgeois elements to emerge and seize power,” and what should he have done differently? Cultural Revolution, but harder? There’s never any serious analysis of that question, at least that I’ve seen. The material conditions of the people of China improved with both Mao and Deng and the others.

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I mean, you can succeed in some respects and fail in others. We can blame Stalin for Khrushchev, but it’s very different from how we blame Khrushchev.

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But what’s the specific criticism, about what should’ve been done differently?

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For Stalin? Clearly the multiple saboteurs, wreckers, etc. who were able to reach the highest positions in government and wreak havoc before being removed is a subject of concern, and Trotsky seriously should not have been left to roam free for a decade and publish his “anti-stalinist” polemics.

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executing a coup d’etat in 1976 and just sitting on my thumb for 4 years until i become leader

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