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UFOs are experimental military aircraft/drones. If it were aliens, someone in the govt would snitch eventually and say aliens are real.

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it were aliens, someone in the govt would snitch

There are countless govt officials who’ve said aliens are real. They are usually subjected to character assassinations.

Also, the behavior described in UFOs sighting in the late 40’s is beyond anything we can do now. They are either atmospheric phenomena or aliens.

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I think that eyewitness sightings without photographic evidence are poor evidence in cases like this. It’s like how after a plesiosaur was shown in the original King Kong, hundreds of sightings of plesiosaur-like creatures in Loch Ness happened despite being obviously false. UFO hysteria was a cultural phenomenon in response to the Cold War.

There are still quite a lot of videos of UFOs doing crazy acrobatics that are impossible for modern aircraft, and I will concede that not all of them can be out-of-focus bugs or tricks of the light. The simplest solution is experimental military tech. Since militaries have tech that is several decades more advanced than what is declassified, they can probably do all this crazy impossible shit. TBH I hope it is aliens though, since that would be a get-out-of-jail-free card for climate change.

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TBH I hope it is aliens though, since that would be a get-out-of-jail-free card for climate change.

I mean they sat around and let us sit 5 minutes from global thermonuclear holocaust in the cold war I don’t think anyone’s coming to our rescue if we can’t sort this ourselves.

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I think you’re drastically underestimating the technological leaps that would be required for some of the things that these objects have been observed doing. I’d recommend you take a look at this paper, it goes over a couple highly credible sightings and calculates estimated accelerations for the sighted objects, as well as estimations of how much energy would be required to accomplish that acceleration.

https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939/htm

Spoiler: In the most credible case in this paper, and arguably one of the most credible UFO sightings to have ever been recorded, the USS Nimitz sighting, the objects sighted (visually, on radar, and on both IR and visual light videos) were seen to accelerate at speeds of over 5000g, which would require energy output around 1100 Gigawatts. Which is around the total capacity of every power plant in the US, circa 2012. Producing that amount of energy in an object roughly the size of an F-16 and using it to accelerate something so quickly that hopping between solar systems would take 1.2 days from the craft’s temporal perspective is so far beyond any technology that any military has produced as to be practically magical. I do not exaggerate when I say that any country that had the technological capability to do shit like that could effortlessly conquer the entire planet within a week if they so desired, it is the ultimate strategic trump card, it breaks MAD in half. In my opinion, there is no way in hell any military has this technology and yet simultaneously continues to develop utterly inferior conventional aircraft, it just doesn’t make any sense.

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That shit out of Isreal was pretty nuts

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I tend to think that it was a mixture of the government trying to distract from/discredit sightings of experimental craft and displaced anxiety over the Cold War. (Sorry to be a bummer, that isn’t as fun as actual aliens, carry on.)

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-lied-about-ufo-sightings.html

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/aug/14/men-in-black-ufo-sightings-mirage-makers-movie

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2254010/

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It’s an article about a report from the CIA, so 🤷‍♀️

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At least the Q-anon cult hasn’t started declaring unknown stuff in the sky to be demons yet.

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The theory that UFOs are deep state projects is honest to god even more extraordinary than the alien theory

Because apparently without anyone knowing about it, the deep state has somehow achieved technological singularity of a magnitude so profound that they have utterly conquered the forces of gravity, the laws of thermodynamics, and the known limits of energy conversion all while keeping it under wraps

And that’s just the small UFOs, then we have the reports of the giant objects, the mile long monstrosities some Boeing pilots have seen around the world, you’re telling me the fuckin Army corp of engineers has access to airships that makes that marvel carrier in the adventures look like flying tin can?

Bro it’s aliens bro, Occams razors bro, they’re here bro, keep it simple bro

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https://youtu.be/gVvCZIGIyeg

this is one of the best explications I’ve watched on the phenomenon, it’s just so strange that alien abductions as a cultural trope only appear in the literature after the Bugs Bunny cartoon in the early 1950s lol. It’s definitely a Nuclear Age phenomenon to be obsessed with flying saucers… psyop written all over it.

but the “collective hallucination” & Jungian “human spiritual/technological” aspiration woo-woo is somewhat uplifting, if completely hilarious and sad

Terence McKenna was definitely an anti-communist spook & “New Age” grifter who could deradicalize just as well as he could make flowery speeches about the “archons” & “object at the end of history” or whatever bullshit

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