the rachel drama/hack, the pronoun struggle sessions, and now this (most likely) false accusation against beatnik show that there’s a lot of asshats with no morality willing to use anything against the site, and we need to get a lot smarter and stop falling for it
From what I have seen from the mod team, everything is working as it should.
Serious accusation is being handled in a serious manner. That’s all that can be expected.
I think we should treat these types of allegations with the seriousness they deserve. The admin or mod can recuse themselves temporarily and let the process occur. The site shouldn’t fall apart from one person being temporarily or permanently removed from their position. Therefore we should not hesitate to do the right thing, treat them seriously, investigate, and reach a verdict.
That said, I think all admins and mods should learn more about op-sec (myself included) to prevent this from happening. Additionally, I’ve always made the point to separate my community persona from my dating persona. Even at work, I never hit on the women there, to the point they thought I was gay. I rather come off as completely uninterested than a sex pest.
The thing that sucks about this is that no matter what happens ChaCha is worse off. Either it’s legit, which would be just fucking horrible, or it’s a fraud, which will further the destructive and fake narrative that many accusers are liars. This whole situation has to be absolutely shitty for people who have been abused in the past. Whether or not it turns out that the story is true, I hope that when the dust settles, we find a way to show our support to people who have suffered sexual violence but are afraid of coming forward because they think they won’t be believed.
Premature to declare the beatnik thing a fraud imo, but eh
Truth is its a website and its stupid to care about websites, its a podcast fandom reddit clone for looking at jokes; mod drama, user drama, or the things I post shouldn’t be upsetting or concerning to anyone
Calling this a ‘community’ is weird and thinking of the people here as real people rather than bleep bloops is recipe for unhappiness and very much teenage behavior
It may be a result of a capitalist reality, but it is reality nonetheless. Under communism I believe the internet would be different, but as it is, my way is the healthy and happy way to be.
This site is a content generation machine. The old sub was that, a small content cog part of a larger content machine that was reddit (ptew ptew). Content can be educational, emotionally effecting, humorous; you can be a content creator, doing bits and having arguments. You can try to effect the way the content is generated for the better. But its a reddit clone, and thats just what it is. As a community, it is fatally flawed even moreso than the old forums were back when the internet worked more like that, and even those were probably too flawed to be communities. As a content stream it is ok-to-middling
“That’s just the way that it is” is exactly the rhetoric that impedes progress. We have an opportunity to create a community here that is different from Reddit and Twitter. I like the people here, and I don’t find that seeing it as a community makes me unhappy. Perhaps viewing it in the way that you are, due to the other spaces from where you’ve learned this behavior, is what’s making you unhappy? I don’t want to extrapolate too much and assume what you feel or believe, so please take it with a grain of salt. We want an inclusive and mutually respectable space that treats people as people, so don’t be afraid to do the same (:
Yeah, that shit is exactly what’s wrong with the hellscapes that are Twitter and Facebook. One could draw similarities to how people are way ruder to cars driving on the road until they’re confronted with the actual person driving. I don’t want ChapoChat to become like that too, so this sort of alienation is harmful.
To suggest purposely convincing yourself that posts here – from real life people, with real emotions and lives – are not real people as a coping mechanism is honestly pretty fucked. I certainly don’t want to be viewed as a disconnected string of words. I’m a person. Care about websites or not, this website is full of people and made by people. As communists, we are for the people.
Please reconsider how this viewpoint alienates your fellow comrades.
I don’t know if you are a communist, I assume like I assume with most (excluding the anarchists) here you are someone who labels themself thus because they like the sound of it and maybe surrounds themself with paraphenalia. Being unable to verify the rest because of the anonymous character inherent to this site, I have to be extremely charitable (which I often am) to grant you the rest of your ‘communism’, which is to say, dues-paying membership to a democratic socialist or anarchist mutual-aid organization. Assuming all that is true, I still find it very fucking condescending and dopey that you make an appeal to our presumed shared ‘communism’ and being ‘for the people’ to defend the poor posters on this, I say again with emphasis, banned-comedy-podcast-fandom-subreddit spinoff reddit clone.
If people are feeling alienated by this website or by the internet, there is a very effective solution that ends with off and begins with log. The alienating thing is not the style of the other website posters, it is the fact of seeking out a sense of community on this website in the first place.
If they cannot go outside and find friends in real life, which I get, then there are ways you can build a digital connection with individuals you meet on a public forum, I’m sure friendships have grown out of this site, but those have hopefully grown privately, where it is safer to intimately expose yourself (joke not intended). Becoming invested in a digital relationship with a person is fine. Investment in a digital relationship with 30k anonymous people is not fine
I’m struggling to see how advocating for a sense of community rather than alienation is condescending.
I dunno, I’m starting to question whether this is in good faith or not anymore. I’m not going to engage in a discussion about how valid a communist I personally am.
I don’t know how else to convince you that a forum for people with a shared ideology, which engages - or has known to engage - in earnest discourse is a good thing, and that considering it a community is not harmful. To address your claim that it is “not fine.”
