I was at a pro-Palestine campus protest and there were times where I was instinctively uncomfortable because they were really hammering in the whole bit about reported ‘antisemitic action on campus’ being a non-issue and I had to remind myself that they aren’t talking about people acting against Jews, they’re talking about people acting against Israel.

It’s my most personal and privileged grievance against Israel. I no longer know if a supposed threat to my safety is a bullshit bludgeon to silence pro-Palestine voices or if the yank reich is actually in town and I need to commute for the rest of the week.

I’ll never forgive them for it. I’ll never forgive them for a lot of things, but this is the most personal grievance I have, and since I’m born and raised a cracker suburbanite, it’s the only one I truly, directly feel in my personal life.

I don’t want this to override, you know, the actually important grievances that are at stake for Palestine here, and I don’t want to make myself the center of this issue when I’m very much not at all, but I guess I’ve just been stewing in this for a bit, and I want to uncap it before it somehow causes me to become a weird crank through lack of addressing the root of the issue and it festering into my belief system

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this was always the problem with a country calling itself the ‘Jewish state’, putting the Star of David on their flag, and claiming to represent all Jews - all the while committing horrific atrocities. firstly, they use anti-semitism as a cudgel to silence support for Palestinians and trivialize the term. but there are also a non-trivial amount of people out there who are going to blame all Jews for Israel’s actions. Israel then benefits from creating this anti-semitism because more Jews think “maybe it’s true I’m not safe here” and either support Israel or decide to move there to further colonize it.

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Israel then benefits from creating this anti-semitism because more Jews think “maybe it’s true I’m not safe here” and either support Israel or decide to move there to further colonize it.

which is doubly ironic, because the worst thing you could possibly do to avoid genocide is move all your people into one small place.

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It’s interesting to me how, just like many other settler groups like the Boer republics and the founders of Rhodesia, the early zionists managed to huff enough of the supremacist ideology that they thought trying to establish a small independent ethnostate surrounded by “hostile” neighbors would be feasible in the long run and not end badly. Doubly-so for the ones who convinced themselves that they could “resist imperialism” and get by without a superpower patron to shield them (all the nutters in Lehi and Irgun, Golda Meir initially), when that’s practically the only reason Israel stands today. Must have been quite the sobering moment when they saw all the settler-states they modeled themselves after fall one by one.

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There is something very sick about an ethnostate crying antisemitism. These people have more in common with the Nazis that did genocide against the Jews than the actual Jews. Yet they’ll use their suffering as a shield. It’s messed up.

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Reactionaries using the language of the oppressed to claim they’re the real victims is very common. :(

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This anti-German rhetoric is getting out of hand!

-Adolf Hitler

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He literally did say that. Nazis were going on about reverse racism generations before any CHUD.

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Frankly I think everyone should be much more racist against germans

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One thing I’ve been thinking of recently is the parallel between how much both Israel and Nazi Germany have and had a mythos of being victims as a major part of their identity. I will need to investigate other fascist societies to see if this is a common trend among them or if this is just coincidence

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Fascists are always self-victimizing, it’s always the Jews or the British capitalists (for Italy) or the immigrants and/or Muslims (modern western fascists) that are supposedly attacking the homeland and giving a basis for revanchism.

It’s a silly reference, but I remember Jacob Geller’s video on the ideology of Call of Duty, where he does a decent job of demonstrating how it so centers on a politics of aggrievement by foreign enemies necessitating a response of brutal violence by the US, where all the atrocities committed by the latter are the “hard choices” and “dirty work” needed to protect the country.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FtCV421T52s

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It’s the kind of thing that if Israel didn’t exist and you read this in a book you would think the writer is being heavy handed and unrealistic

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Most Jews aren’t Zionists.

Zionism is not Judaism.

Anyone who calls you antisemitic immediately and without evidence is probably a Zionist, or confused by Zionists.

Zionists are Fascists, or Fascist Adjacent.

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Most Jews aren’t Zionists

Is there any actual research/data on this? Every time I search it’s a mixed bag between articles claiming over 90% of Jews are zionist to articles saying ‘a lot more Jews than you think aren’t zionists’ but with no hard numbers.

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A lot of people define zionism differently so those surveys that tote 90+% can’t be taken at face value (https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/zionism-an-ideal-that-has-little-purhase-on-reality/ best resource that I’ve found on the matter).

I think it’s fair to say that most jews don’t like how Israel operates even if they might define themselves as a zionist due to personal/family complications (also a lot of zionist propaganda).

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It’s entirely intentional on Israel’s part that Jewish diaspora are made to feel unsafe and should thus “return home” to fill in all the curiously vacant land they have just waiting to be claimed. So it’s two birds being knocked out with one stone.

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Pro tip, when someone is actually being antisemitic everyone just says ‘wow, that nazi is a real piece of shit’

I’ve yet to encounter accusations of antisemitism in the wild that wasn’t coming from someone thar was also incoherently, unspeakably furious that every country in the middle east with edible hummus hadn’t been bathed in nuclear fire yet, or that enough children hadn’t been orphaned. A deeply sick culture

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