Another win for the left
This sucks. People on this site are some of the stubbornness anti-vegan assholes I’ve ever met. Hell even fucking conservatives I know have more empathy toward veganism and the animals than some people here it’s ridiculous. All this bullshit about revolution and most can’t even think past their own sensory pleasure.
its actually kind of hilarious to me, as someone who initially came to the left through the vegan-to-anarchist pipeline, that this left-wing site was torn apart worse by “MUH BACON” assholes who refuse to do any self-reflection than anything else to date
Transphobia didn’t break the site, infighting between anarchists and communists didn’t break the site but the moment our comrades were asked to reflect on themselves and live by their own values they lost their shit.
This entire community was built on not giving a fuck, bullying cognitive dissonance and making fun of people for their hypocrisy. This is exactly what vcj has been doing for years! Let’s not forget that it all started because they decided to lurk and comment on the vegan comm to witch hunt ‘vcj libs’ then they got butt hurt and posted anti-vegan stuff outside.
Shame we’re losing those two mods but it’s only the beginning. I won’t be surprised if a lot of the other vegans here aren’t driven out too.
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I honestly was similar (a vegetarian). If I’m being honest, it was cheese that was preventing me from turning (it makes me disgusted to use this as justification for contributing to torture of animals but I’m being honest). I think what really pushed me toward veganism was an attitude shift; instead of viewing them as a punching bag, which many people do + mock them, I decided one day to just sit down and think about what they were saying, watching some videos and reading, and looking at the dairy industry in particular. That’s what helped me convert. Even simple videos like Earthling Ed’s speech really made me just think about what I was contributing too and whether or not that was good or bad.
I´m at exactly that point right now. When it comes to milk, a lot is just thrown away as excess. A byproduct of the meat industry much like leather. Industrial animal farms are horrifying in their own right and need to be abolished, but they do exist and me using the milk will not change one thing. At the same time, chicken that my grandmother has are all living rather good lives. They are bred to lay an egg a day already and the world could not sustain the exponential growth rate of chicken population. What would the solution be? Try to reverse breed them? Killing them all? Nature is cruel and humans are a particularly good example of that. Just like there is no etical consumption under capitalism, I don´t think there is a fully ethical solution here. Phasing out the meat industry sounds like a good step, it is perpetuating unneccessary suffering. Our entire civilisation is build on the exploitation of animals if it comes down to it. From animals that helped plow the fields, transport things, the wool, the fur, the bones, everything was usefull and neccessary at some point. I think phasing this out is good, I just dont thing being puretant about it is the way to go.
I just remembered the omni majority silencing the indigenous vegans on the site for speaking up about veganism. Oof. So many hypocritical.
