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Man, I’mma have to come back to this tomorrow. It’s too late in the evening for me to get my heart rate up stripping Rainer’s ‘bars’ for parts and pieces. Knowing it’s from him thanks to the comment section, my prediction already is more settler integrationist wrecker shit.
EDIT: I lied, I can’t help myself now that the brainworm has bit and will not let go… While on one hand, this sounds somewhat shady if it can be proven that PSL and ANSWER knew when the Uhuru march was going on, it sounds like an egregious snub; the other hand is still saying this is still Rainer Shea we’re talking about. This is still the same settler who CANNOT PASS UP the opportunity to slag PSL, ANSWER, Black Agenda Report, the Black Alliance for Peace, and basically anyone who won’t align with libertarian patsoc nonsense. As far as I’m concerned, no analysis of his can be taken from a serious viewpoint, and I’ll wait for a more sober, more credible analysis of the situation from elsewhere.
This is still the same settler who CANNOT PASS UP the opportunity to slag PSL, ANSWER, Black Agenda Report, the Black Alliance for Peace
Indeed this is something that i have never understood and i find very worrying as well the degree to which Rainer obsesses over criticizing these specific orgs. I’m sure they are not without their issues but relative to a lot of other “leftist” groups in the US they are certainly much better.
I’ll wait for a more sober, more credible analysis of the situation from elsewhere.
This is exactly what i was hoping to get by making this post, i was hoping that someone who is familiar with the situation would come along and explain exactly how and why the situation was misrepresented by Rainer (if it was misrepresented) and would debunk the accusations he is making. I deliberately waited a few days to see if such an explanation would come but unfortunately so far all i have read have been attacks on the credibility of the author, which is all well and good and i do agree with a lot of them, but this doesn’t help me when i want to present solid counter-arguments to those who criticize PSL over such apparent snubs of Uhuru’s struggle. Without an argument based in the facts it is too easy to be dismissed as simply resorting to ad hominems without substance.
Ok let’s be serious here, do you think Uhuru’s protest should take precedence over what is going on in Palestine right now? There is an active genocide going on and we are talking about the dehumanization of millions of people here. The Palestine march isn’t exactly something that can afford to be moved a week later to accommodate another group.
Of course not, but why can’t both be done? Otherwise if it is just a matter of priorities and both not being possible then i fully agree, the more urgent one has to be Palestine at the moment.
My question is this: has PSL said or tried to do anything about the persecution of the Uhuru movement or are they really afraid to be seen defending an organization that has adopted an openly pro-Russian stance just because such an association would alienate liberals?
Rainier’s history is that he will listen very very closely to PSL, take notes, and then write entire essays on single sentences that ignore context and absolutely not reference anything else that would contradict his position. You can easily debunk him if you spend the time actually engaging with PSL content.
He’s a hack and he’s not worth listening to. He’s shown us what he is.
You can easily debunk him if you spend the time actually engaging with PSL content.
This is exactly what i was asking for with this post. I want to hear from people familiar with this situation how and why this article is misrepresenting it. Unfortunately i have yet to see that easy debunking, and so far all the responses to this post have merely attacked the credibility of the author - which is valid and fine, i agree that their takes in the past have been dubious at times, but this doesn’t help me present solid counter-arguments to people who are genuinely worried about this situation around Uhuru.
The only thing we can do is analyze the specific situation being presented. So far the evidence I have read is that PSL/ANSWER scheduled an event that stole attention and attendance from another event organized by Black socialists. I would have to dig a lot to be able to make sense of whether or not this was actually a spoiler move that had a major impact and represents antagonistic motives.
But the rest of the article is all bombastic judgements based on this one singular event of a scheduling conflict. Rainier doth protest too much. So much, in fact, that it seems far more likely he’s got a chip on his shoulder about PSL and is actively working to undermine them and create divisions in their support and not actually interested in anything else.
The only thing I could debunk here is whether or not PSL actually scheduled an event deliberately to split focus from another event. That’s it. And while it’s an interesting question, it’s gonna take me a while to get to the bottom of it.
Beware Rainer is untrustworthy IMO. Crypto-patsoc. Don’t get me wrong like some Maoists he has good analysis of things at times but he also goes off the deep end indulging all kinds of deviation. I wouldn’t believe any kind of intra-left drama he’s selling and would be inclined to dismiss him out of hand.
… would be inclined to dismiss him out of hand
Ok but this is what i’m trying to avoid doing here, i acknowledge that he has not always had the best takes but i am interested in learning exactly how and why he is wrong on this particular issue. Because sometimes valid criticism can come from dubious sources.
Sounds like ultras to me, but I don’t have access to the article or know about this specific issue.
The only org in my area that has been leading the organizing for Palestine is the PSL. One of the integral parts of a protest is to network with like minded people, the protest itself isn’t going to bring about the revolution.
There is a danger to any movement that an organization might use it for gain like what happened with BLM, but if the PSL really were after cash, the recruiting process would not be anything more than a form and your credit card.
if the PSL really were after cash, the recruiting process would not be anything more than a form and your credit card
I see you comin after DSA like that
I don’t know enough to be certain about this situation, but based on Shea’s past takes he does not have the best interests of the New African nation in mind considering his integrationist takes. He also takes any chance he gets to diss PSL, who is obviously not above criticism, but Shea is not whose criticism I would trust.
