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I’m seeing a lot of talk about how she was radicalized online being a former police officer. I’m sure it’s true, but the only thing important here is that now the far right have another martyr to rally behind. They’ll treat her like the victims of Ruby Ridge, Waco and other incidents of government killing someone.
And the more racist I talk, and whine about other left groups, I’m TOTALLY not involved in a government psyop! Let me quickly tell you something about the class war, so you believe me!
I would argue the comparison is fair, but I certainly agree with the points you made still. It was an exercise of the power they wield, like you said. Easy if you’ve got the backing of the state violence apparatus.
I disagree, cause the Bundy family were in dispute over a government agency and in a small town. I live in the rural south. I can attest that the ATF are corrupt and usually in small towns, you have government agencies like ATF, BLM and then the city police who live there outside their jurisdiction whom are also corrupt. Yesterday was an army of far right people taking on the entire federal government. Not over a land dispute or something shady going on a small town. All over a sitting president whom they worship.
I’m not sure it really matters if the libs underestimate them. I don’t know if they have any answer for it, regardless of how they view them. I think the libs would have to try to match that power, but they don’t do that, just acquiesce.
Yeah, it don’t matter in the long run, I agree there. Libs are still smugly talking about how these people are a joke. Libs are smug, over-educated wimps. They aren’t about to arm themselves and spend years training and preparing for something like this. We saw the most they will do yesterday, which is get on Twitter and whine about how the cops aren’t arresting them. Libs are absolutely useless and I hope yesterday proved to people they aren’t going to radicalize. They’ll just sit there and hope for the cops to save the day, then act surprised when the cops side with fascists.
Yep, I remember that cause I worked in Mobile Alabama back in 2015 where he announced his presidency and did his first rally. The mainstream media focused entirely on the racist stuff he said, but the local media in Alabama were in LOVE with him over it. This was right after the gay marriage SCOTUS ruling too. There were local preachers in Mobile who were championing him as a savior that would go after the gay sinners (it’s forgotten now, but Alabama was refusing marriage license and had a huge scandal trying to jail someone for approving a same sex marriage).
Liberals and the mainstream media just don’t get it and I’m convinced after 4 years, they don’t want to get it. They truly believe the myth of the “good Republican”, so they focused on how mean and hateful Trump was, despite that being the reason conservatives fell in love with him. He says the quiet parts out loud. He don’t use the same coded language that previous Republicans would use. Libs have basically lived in a fantasy land since Obama was elected and they thought racism and bigotry just magically went away until Trump came along and made it magically return.
It is the first time a far right movement has taken the capitol. Yesterday IMO was a test run. They not only proved that it was possible, but incredibly easy to do with backing of police. There is no comparison to the Bundy family. The Bundys were in a dispute with BLM (the land management government agency), who are more or less, like the ATF of the west. Many people supported them cause BLM and ATF have a history of shady shit and doing people wrong. The son of that family won his trial by acting as his own lawyer, cause despite all the jokes about him looking like an inbred hillbilly, he was well educated and smart enough to convince a jury.
I mention this just to say, I think you’re absolutely correct. The Capitol was a shit show, but I think we’d be underestimating these freaks to say that there isn’t the obvious potential for more and better organized sieges.
They’ve been underestimated for years. Liberals just spent 4 years pointing and laughing at them for worshiping a reality TV star as president. They should’ve been taking them seriously instead of whining about Antifa and BLM protesters.
The far right have been organizing for decades and waiting for this moment. The militias are far more partisan today than they were in the 90s. Those old militias were more or less, Libertarian types who were individually pissed at the government. What we’re looking at in the future is them actually forming paramilitaries and uniting under the same banner. This isn’t anything new. They have always been organized and armed to the teeth. They have had decades to prepare for this. What happened yesterday was a test run, but it proved to them they can pull it off in the future.
Problem for them is, Trump really isn’t concerned about any of this.
He wants his ego stroked and to feel adored. When he saw the big crowd yesterday, that was enough to satisfy him. It made him feel loved and as another poster said yesterday, he probably got the most sleep he has had in months as a result of it. Trump is a moron more worried about his ego than anything else. If he truly wanted it yesterday, he could’ve seized power and started a full civil war.
My guess is that the QAnon people that just got elected to Congress are going to stick around and eventually Trump’s base is going to morph into something else. These people were already crazy before Trump came around. He just absorbed the Tea Party, conspiracy fringe and far right base all under the same banner. They’re going to hang around and worship him until the next fascist comes and swoops up that base. I don’t think it will be Tom Cotton, Crenshaw or any elected officials. It’ll likely be someone coming out of nowhere. Probably a Silicon Valley tech billionaire.
So a fascist comes along and essentially blames the contradictions of capitalism on the existence of minorities. They make promises of better material conditions and flip leftist talking points about class and idpol to be reactionary to gain power
This is more or less my prediction. I think M4A will be transformed and morphed into something by the next fascist who comes around. They’ll morph it into something like “Healthcare for all Americans” and they’ve already begun blaming wealth inequality on immigrants and criminals. If protesting continues to be dominant in the following years (strong possibility, it kinda already is if we go back to 2014), then fascists have a chance to normalize talking points about how all the protesters are criminals “looting and acting like thugs”.
One thing that is often left out with Trump is that the middle class petty bourgeoise absolutely voted for him and were his base in 2016. Libs and the media never want to focus on this aspect cause they just ran Joe Biden as the “middle class president”.
These are the over-educated, middle and upper class smug liberals who think they know how the world works. This guy makes it a point to condescendingly talk down to people like he knows everything. He’s got a piece of paper that tells him he’s smart, so he apparently is.
Yep, we’ve been on a carefully paved path to fascism for a while now. I believe it truly began with Ronald Reagan’s presidency, and then escalated further and further from there. The PATRIOT Act was the major turning point going into the 2000s and what do you know, it was written by a Democrat we just elected to president.