ofriceandruin [none/use name]

At least we can agree on that.

“She” gets to face the consequences: pregnancy. “She” now has to terminate it or carry it to term and decide whether to keep it or give it up for adoption. Those are the consequences.

Precisely, so let her decide. And let the “man” decide if he wants to support a child. If not, let the state intervene and provide child support. As I’ve stated elsewhere in this thread, why is it that people go all in on Medicare for All, free college, and all that jazz, but when it comes to universal child support, they suddenly become these austerity hawks and start using borderline gender essentialist shit to say “well the man should pay.” Here is how I feel about that: https://pasteboard.co/JDHZ3v3.jpg)

Abortions, just like giving birth, can be unpleasant and traumatizing.

This reminds me of the shaming rhetoric used in the 90s about abortions being “safe, legal and rare” (https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-48-shifting-media-representations-of-abortion-part-i).

It’s literally personal responsibility.

You words, not mine.

So, maybe just leave the decision to the people who are directly affected and get out of their way.

Exactly, so just let the person(s) who don’t want the child to leave and not force them to pay child support.

This whole gordian knot can be sliced immediately by just having universal child support system like “Child Support for All.”

All this other talk is honestly besides the point. No need to talk about who supports who and all that stuff.

You’re not abandoning it if there’s a social system in place to take care of the child.

What could I do to convince you I don’t use sockpuppets? Get an admin to check IP addresses? Is that possible?

You can’t do anything about it tbh… it’s like anti-semitism smears against Corbyn: trying to fight against them is only further evidence in their eyes.

There isn’t medicare for all so then fuck those people too I guess.

Sure, but why is this rhetoric all good when it comes to things like “defund the police” or “tax the 1%” or “medicare for all” but then people turn into big time austerity Biden libs when I suggest universal child support? It strikes me that there’s something deeper going on.

Universal healthcare and college are paid with tax money, we’re talking about the income of individuals

I mean… in the US (I’m assuming this is where you are) college and healthcare are paid with the income of individuals right now so… what are you trying to say?