ofriceandruin [none/use name]
I’m saying that nobody should be in a precarious situation. If one partner wants an abortion then let them have it. If the other doesn’t want the raise the child then let the state help with aid. It’s not mutually exclusive, unless you’re operating on some sort of weird austerity mindset, or some weird Jordan Peterson “men are men and should pay” shit, or some other kind of zero-sum view.
Your distinctions are all a matter of framing. For example, instead of ‘usurious lending’ I could call it a “free choice” to take on that debt. We all learn about spending and saving money, even if on a basic level. But I’m not gonna fall into dumb libertarian shit like that. Everyone of course “knows” that sex leads to children, but do they really “know” what that entails? This applies to those that get pregnant and those that don’t. What’s with all this weird “personal responsibility” shit when it comes to this issue? It’s strangely libertarian and Jordan Peterson-esque
There are differences, but as I’ve stated in this thread multiple times, why is it that when in it comes to things like universal healthcare, universal college, etc. people are all on board and correctly disregard right wing austerity framing but when it comes to child support it morphs into weird zero-sum mindsets where people have to tighten their belts? If the partner doesn’t want the kid, don’t make them pay child support, have the state do it. Simple.
I’ve made it clear multiple times that I want the state to take care of the child instead of doing this weird personal responsibility shit (e.g. “you should’ve known that sex is bad, just like Sister Mary said in Sunday school”). It’s the people on this thread who can’t seem to read and automatically assume that I’m some sort of MRA incel.
However, the present conditions being what they are, you do have to bear part the responsibility for bringing a child into the world. It’s not ideal, but until we establish FALGSC it’s necessary.
This is what you said, which is basically some kind of incrementalist argument. I reject that premise. We can have these things now. I was responding to that if it wasn’t clear.