sayssanford [none/use name]
Yeah I don’t think that works. Like Appel and Pannekoek and the other councilist’s plan do not shed the law of value.
They are not computing SNLT but the direct labor-time to produce goods. The value-form is abolished because commodities no longer exist. Nothing is produced to be exchanged, nothing has value. When planning production, you need to know how much labor is needed to produce according to a plan, how much labor should be allocated here or there, and whether or not your firm is efficient, by calculating its productivity factor. So labor-time is what is used to rationalize production.
Distribution is done in a way that is decided by the people themselves, but there are some objective laws to follow, for example, some part of the product goes into accumulation, some into social services etc. Using labor-time, it is possible to calculate these things in an exact manner. So the amount of social product that can be consumed individually is exactly known.
even when the labor-vouchers are gone, still are not imo producing for need.
They are producing for need even when using labor-vouchers, because there is no exchange here. Nobody makes money from what is produced.
The text is criticizing “State Socialism” as it existed in the USSR, not the NEP, which is just capitalism and Lenin explicitly maintained was capitalism. I cant handle this stupidity anymore. It’s clear you have no intention of reading anything at all, being a braindead ML.
State and Revolution by Lenin - not Leninism
Who is even debating about State and Revolution here dumbass. I agree with everything Lenin wrote in State and Revolution. The Stalinist counterrevolution went against what was written in it by disarming the workers.
Btw I want you to know that I am “arguing” with you for entertainment. If you post more boring Stalinist tripe, instead of something new and spicy, I might just not respond anymore
The text deals with how the “first stage of socialism” works where the maxim is “to each according to their contribution”. The important point is that everything is objective, so questions of distribution can be resolved in a transparent manner. The text explains how the next stage of socialism is gradually achieved, by gradually creating and expanding firms called GSUs that take in labor-inputs, but their output is deducted from the total fund available for individual consumption, thus gradually eliminating even labor-vouchers.
