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This whole point just makes it sound like you were upset that you got caught cheating and plagiarizing and that everyone else was cheating too (they weren’t). Like seriously how else are we supposed to interpret you shrugging off plagiarism by saying “at least it isn’t rape”. Good lord that sounds like a Cumtown bit. You understand why cheating is bad right? Also what’s wrong with making kids be in class on time? Its really easy to do and if you are consistently late you start to fall behind the rest of the class. Its a basic skill you will need to function in all forms of society including communist ones.
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First off school officially starts at 10 am, but the teachers dont start teaching until 11 am because no one shows up until then. The little kids all have a shared community teaching and learning style that they all learn best from? What are you talking about, that isn’t real thing. Do you actually think schools suck because the teachers had too much control? Students are teachers? What?! Teaching is really, really hard. Students don’t know how to do it. This isn’t a hallmark movie where the kids are pure and wise.
I think the second version of school would at best cover 1/4th of the material in the same timeframe, with the majority of kids not bothering to learn anything that didn’t immediately interest them.
Why would you want kids to learn things that don’t immediately interest them? Sounds pretty authoritarian to me…
You are right, the first point does make it sound like I’m excusing the most reprehensible acts next to plagiarism. What I’m trying to say here is that systemic rape culture isn’t even taken seriously in college campuses but they will absolutely attack plagiarism despite rape being WAY worse. Sorry if I did not clarify it. I would say that cheating is definitely widespread in education because of the grading and is definitely part of the hidden curriculum in capitalist education. There are definitely failsons who got into top-tier schools partially cheating their way there, and there are definitely young kids who went to a HBCU who did everything the honest way and cut fewer corners than their white counterparts, but they end up in jobs that aren’t equivalent to their white counterparts. Note that Black kids must play the rules or they’ll be threatened with jail edit: and this ‘playing by the book’ actually segregates them into rigid manual labor, and low-level admin work which is what detention socializes them to do anyways. So even playing by the rules forces them into what dominant culture sees as low-status work. Meanwhile, white kids will end up in so-called innovative skunkworks projects.
As for schools starting later and some kids not showing up later, I was trying to demonstrate time as a social construct which was used as a way to assemble us into working schedules. Even medieval peasants didn’t have such rigid schedules, so why can’t a socialist society work without such rigid schedules? We don’t even know what post-capitalist culture would look like after dismantling the Fordism in our head. You noticed what was wrong in my examples, just imagine the long sessions of what must be done to make socialist education a reality. We aren’t even close to a post-school/school abolitionist model of thinking unless we get Fordism out of our heads!
I’m gonna contest your cheating culture. Look I went to high school with some kids who got into THE top tier schools. Cornell, Harvard, Columbia. None of those kids were cutting corners and they werent just white kids. Everyone in the school knew they worked hard, and that they deserved it. In my school, you could cheat on homework, the tests it was impossible outside of one really lazy chemistry teacher. Several people were busted for trying. I’m sure in other schools cheating is widespread but if your teachers give a shit they can squash it easily. The failsons who cheated whenever possible all went to low level state schools because, lo and behold, they sucked at SAT/ACTs. If you were a kid who didn’t cheat and got good test scores you could get accepted into a decent school. Its not hard to do well in high school, the only kids who didn’t do well were the ones who clearly didn’t give a crap about school. Giving a shit and actually spending time on the assignments is all you need do well. Also, I’ve read about some bad highschools, remember that even the laziest failsons aren’t truants. People who don’t show up are screwed.
At my college (which wasnt a top tier one), basically the same thing. You could get away with cheating on assignments, and certain electives. But on tests in 2000+ level class? It was impossible. Multiple TAs patrolling the classroom watching students. They timed the tests in a way that you weren’t going to get test questions ahead of time from peeps in other sections either. Past tests weren’t a help since they were completely redone every semester. In fact teachers would usually give out past tests as practice.
If you really believe that everyone at the top is a fraud that doesn’t know anything and that they cheated their way there, I’m here to say that’s not true. If you think that, you went to bad schools with teachers who didn’t care enough to stop the cheating. The work socialists do would help make it so there fewer bad schools.
Peasants didn’t have a rigid schedule cause plants don’t and looking at the sun is a shitty way to measure time so they measured time bad. We’re industrialized and have been for a while, better just get used to it cause electricity rules
