The horse is dead
Lol yeah go ahead and try when the vast majority of people just hate China and the other ones don’t know shit about it and they’re gonna start hating too if they Google about it. Even if they were mostly neutral they just wouldn’t give a shit. Like, what part of China’s program would you even be willing to implement? Trains? Wait until they hit you with any more specific questions. Most people don’t even want to implement anything resembling China’s program, so what is the point? A huge point of contention in the US was universal healthcare, except China doesn’t have that. Strong labour unions? Nope, they don’t have that either, they have a single massive labour union which is largely controlled by the state and collaborates with employers. There is absolutely no good propaganda except maybe idk, urban planning or something? Unless you think having to argue with everyone about whether or not the Uighurs are being genocided is good propaganda (it isn’t).
Dissociating communism from poverty, rebuking the primacy of free markets, openly using the state as a tool of class warfare, Huawei as an example of a worker co-op surpassing private enterprises like Apple, pointing to the successes of both their nationalized heavy industry, state champions and SOEs to disprove the idea that the private sector is more efficient (or the only efficient form of organization) and pointing to China’s massive economic growth as an example of what the Soviet Union could have replicated if it wasn’t isolated from world markets.
People are tired of stagnant wages, even just pointing out how much wages in China have grown builds resentment toward Capitalism.
I am not American, I focus on radicalizing disillusioned young people and people of color. Capitalism is going to kill us all -> Planned economies are the only alternative -> China is a surviving example of a planned economy and transitionary state with heavy state intervention in the economy.
It doesn’t matter so much what you think China is but rather what they want China to be and therefore what the Soviet Union could have been. That is the strategy I use to radicalize young people concerned about the climate and disillusioned with capitalism. It doesn’t have to be 100% coherent as in a debate club or research paper, people are emotional, the point is to wear down faith in capitalism and getting them to come around to the viability of socialism as an alternative.
The Uyghur conversation doesn’t have to be bad either if you have the credibility can turn it into a discussion about imperialism and the false pretenses of American interventionism.
What do you use to win people over? I don’t think there’s any better tools that the successes and victories of existing or formerly existing socialist projects.
People are tired of stagnant wages, even just pointing out how much wages in China have grown builds resentment toward Capitalism.
China literally did capitalism to achieve that growth. Not exactly the neoliberal conception of capitalism but capitalism nevertheless. If that’s what you want to advocate for, there is plenty more examples to pick from than just China.
China is a surviving example of a planned economy
China is not a planned economy and hasn’t been for a long time. China is just more interventionist than most western countries.
I have no idea why someone would chose the most controversial country possible that isn’t even doing what you are advocating for for your propaganda.
The Uyghur conversation doesn’t have to be bad either if you have the credibility can turn it into a discussion about imperialism and the false pretenses of American interventionism.
Yeah totally, it’s definitely not like it’s gonna end up with you looking like a creepy genocide denier or whatever. Look, I’ve seen people try that stuff. I’ve seen the kinds of people who go around campus telling people how cool and misunderstood Stalin was and I’ve seen how badly it goes. If you wanna talk about some of the good aspects of China specifically, go ahead but if your propaganda is “haha hey I’m a socialist and China is also cool socialists, look how cool they are”, it’s gonna maybe work on 5 people and the rest are just gonna think you’re a bunch of creeps.
70% of the population working outside of the conditions of wage labor.
That… That’s not happening in China.
They don’t even have universal healthcare? Can somebody remind me why we like them so much?
Wages rising 12% every year from the CPC throwing their weight around in the economy, income tripling or more in the poorer regions across the board, a highly effective dictatorship of the proletariat, massive infrastructure projects designed to uplift the poorest regions of China and poorest nations in the world, and being overtaking the USA as the most successful and prosperous nation while broadcasting communist ideology and disassociating communism from poverty and stagnation.
They’re also the primary trading partner for both the remaining orthodox socialist nations and those under siege by American imperialism.
Because anti imperialism/antiamericanism, greater degree of interventionism in the economy and the possibility of them supporting leftists in other countries. I kinda understand it, these are legitimate in general. But I don’t understand why someone would use them for propaganda.
Also some people hold the hope that since nothing else works China will come in and press the socialism button one day for everyone.
Also it’s not just that they don’t have universal healthcare, their healthcare is actually significantly worse than the US. Which is somewhat understandable since they are very poor comparatively, however even poorer countries do better a lot of the time.
