The quotation I gave you was, first of all, not one of the numbered demands like a graduated income tax schedule but in fact one of the “general principles” which are “as correct today as ever”, and the Communist Party of China seems to be well aware of the fact that the practical application in China depends on the historical conditions existing in China, they’ve formulated their entire approach to implementing socialism on that very idea. That’s why they call their economic system Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. Calling their system just “capitalist” kind of ignores some fundamental questions about how an economy operates. Who is making the decisions in the economy, for the benefit of whom and at the expense of whom?

far from undermining “modern logic of private capital accumulation” has helped capitalism by providing a huge new market for labor and commodities

It’s also provided the Chinese Communist Party with enormous economic leverage and industrial capacity, you really can’t see any advantages to this arrangement?

Why? Because Huawei is a co-op? Or because some Chinese factories are state owned?

You’re describing the tail end of the devolution strategy, which capitalists in China take advantage of on the national scale, I’m specifically referring to the regional and municipal scale of organization which the Chinese state takes advantage of to guide national level industrial/infrastructure policy, if the transition happens, it’s gonna happen on the local level not the national/state level

even this is not true, as the level of state ownership is declining in terms of assets, employment and profits

What did you think I meant when I said devolution?

Once again, transition towards what?

I already told you, theoretically towards DotP, like I literally said that

and even if they were growing, what would they transition to?

DEVOLVED MUNICIPAL WORKER LEAD COOPERATIVES OR INDUSTRIAL COMBINES…that would eventually lead to DotP

or do Marxists call that rank opportunism and have railed against it for 150 years?

They also correctly railed against idealistic utopianism

Socialism is when the state delegates control of capitalist firms to smaller authorities.

If those smaller authorities directly represent the workers then yes, again that’s where the debate lays, it’s not about having fAitH it’s literally just me laying out the framework of THE DEBATE, it could go either way