At this point I don’t know how feasible that is

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This is like a chicken and egg thing isn’t it? Like do we need to get socialism to dismantle Empire or do we need to dismantle Empire to get socialism?

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We need to get socialism first, because Americans are so ignorant/apathetic on foreign policy issues.

You can make Americans socialists, and socialism has all sorts of natural pathways to anti-imperialism. But trying to make non-socialist Americans anti-imperialists is much more difficult because for the most part people don’t know or care.

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The problem here is, what’s more likely? The US left right now doesn’t inspire very much confidence. A large chunk of them even seem to be fanning the flames of war. On the anti-imperialist side, we see some promising developments in Latin America.

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It depends on how you define “the left,” but I don’t see a lot of fanning the flames. There’s barely anything worth calling that from the Bernie/AOC crowd (you’ll get some “China Bad,” sure, but that’s a lot different from calling for war), and there’s less and less the further left you go.

As for the anti-imperialist developments in Latin America, they’re great, but they’re not a significant factor in U.S. politics.

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Pretty sure the empire will dismantle itself, like a helicopter that shakes itself apart. We just have to be there to take the empire-helicopter wreckage and make it into a socialism train before the fascists just make the wreck fly again by strapping rockets to it.

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Maybe, but I’m of the mind that there’s no roadmap, clear or vague, to the dismantling of Empire right now. What the US is trending towards right now is fascism, priming the population for war by creating an external enemy. I have very little confidence in the US left to reverse this trend.

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I have very little confidence in the US left to reverse this trend

Oh we absolutely won’t. The trillions of dollars of weapons the state has stockpiled will either be used in an external war or an internal violent suppression of dissent, maybe both, but one way or another they’re getting used. But with things trending the way they are now, I think that conflict will likely shake the empire apart.

With a lot of luck, the experience of living through it will also finally be enough to galvanize a tangible domestic socialist movement.

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